here it is, no need to click anything:

This sort of activity should he banned. If you want to post a screenshot, OK, but never without a link.

lol no, fuck X

“I don’t care about citing sources because I don’t like the platform”

Citation needed.

X requires login to view tweets, and can only get away with this because they tricked users into believing they’d allow free access while they were growing as a platform. Let’s not do anything to help them.

I use alt frontends for that

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I think you need to take a break and get some perspective.

Besides, the Twitter link was already posted by the OP, why would it need to be posted again?

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I think you need to take a break and get some perspective.

Besides, the Twitter link was already posted by the OP, why would it need to be posted again?

Posting exTwitter links without a screenshot in a privacy community feels like a kind of oxymoron to me, especially after exTwitter made API changes and what not which made third party apps and software like Nitter kind of useless.

The hero we needed 🙏

I meant the OP who screengrabbed the tweet for us non-Tweeters 😭

He may be right in this case, but he was never a hero.

I’m pretty sure they were referring to the user who shared the full quote, not Snowden himself.

Would you care to expand on this? My impression is that he did what he did out of ethical concerns, and has paid a high price for it.

Beyond the point that others have made about Snowden not considering himself a hero, for me there’s two facts that I just can’t get past when it comes to Snowden:

  1. He ended up in Russia somehow. Seems an odd place for a freedom fighter to end up going.
  2. He first contacted Glenn Greenwald, who now spends his days showing up on Tucker’s show to spout straight Russian pro-war, anti-Ukraine Propaganda

One of these could be a coincidence, but I’ve not seen a lot of double coincidences in my life. It’s funny because I agree that the surveillance program got out of control and needs more transparency, and unlike Tucker and Greenwald, Snowden sounds like someone who truly believes what he says rather than a sleazy liar working for someone else. Emotionally I want to believe in Snowden, but I’m also a strong believer in probabilities and Snowden not acting at Russia’s behest and for some sort of personal reward seems hard to believe at this point.

“Russian pro-war, anti-Ukraine Propaganda” is when things are actually true and not CIA or state department propaganda

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Then rather than engaging in an emotional battle, read the content of his statements and judge their veracity as an idea separate from the man. If motive is impossible to discern from the data you have, you need more data, right? At least if you know what it is that he is accusing the govt of, specifically, will help to determine more of the motivations behind his choice, right?

I’m not saying read them and believe them, but rather cast your critical eye upon his focus, and then perhaps you can poke holes in his conclusions or discern what, if he’s lying, those lies are meant to achieve

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  1. . He ended up in Russia somehow. Seems an odd place for a freedom fighter to end up going.

Isn’t russia the only country that accepted him when he didn’t had any others choice ?

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This is Snowden’s claim and it’s not implausible, but it’s also quite a coincidence that he’d end up in the top country for spying on the US it’s also possible that he wanted to be in Russia and simply made up the part about it just being a stopover. If Snowden was looking for asylum, there are several other countries that don’t extradite to the US. I can see why he’d temporarily be stuck in Russia, but after several years he couldn’t find any other way out? There was apparently a privately-funded attempt to get him to Iceland, but the last update on it was that they were in contact with a “third party representing” Snowden…and then nothing.

A third fact (in addition to Russiabot Greenwald’s involvement) that makes it questionable is that he eventually applied for Russian citizenship in 2020. One explanation is that he could do this to get a Russian passport and fly somewhere else with no US extradition treaty, but he hasn’t chosen to do so yet.

If you read any of his memoirs or interviews, you’d know that his intended destination was Ecuador, and he couldn’t fly out of Russia due to his passport being revoked. He lived in the Russian airport until he was granted asylum, so it’s not like he had much choice.

I didn’t see any sources that went against those claims except from WikiLeaks, so I don’t see much of a reason to discredit them.

Russia are the good guys, we are like comically evil. We couped ukraine in 2014orchestrated euromaidan and got them to shell russian civilians in the 2 independent republics. we built 13 CIA bases in ukraine (per wapo). loaded them with NATO weapons and training, including of neo nazi battallions like right sector, azov brigade and tornado batallion. fast forward to now, and 800,000+ ukranians are dead and the ukranian SBU which is 100% controlled by the CIA attempts weekly acts of terrorism against russia. on the grand scheme of things THE PLAN FAILED!! https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

it even goes back earlier than that as we supported Banderaism after WW2 https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/operation-anyface-how-us-army-shielded-ukrainian-nationalist-soviet-intelligence

if hollywood portrayed what the US does it would be deemed unrealistic because of how comically evil it is

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No, he was literally trapped there on a flight stopover trying to get from Hong-kong to Equador without passing airports in countires that would have arrested him. Russia was probably one of the countries he was least interested in staying.

Well, this is what I thought too. Also, any other country under US influence would have handed him over to the US. See the saga that poor Assange has gone through. What worries me is that public opinion is rather silent to stories like those of Assange and Snowden. Whistle blowing should be seen as a right. If the organization I work for is ethically and morally misbehaving, I have the right to blow the whistle through the right internal channels to start with. If nobody listens, then you take it to the next level.

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Also, any other country under US influence would have handed him over to the US

You’re exactly right. I wish for every USA’s influenced countries to get their sovereignity back somehow.

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Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

straight Russian pro-war, anti-Ukraine Propaganda

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.

IIRC these are words from the man himself. In a documentary about him, he said he was not a hero, just an ordinary guy, and you should not need to be a hero to stand up and do the right thing.

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That’s a very humble thing to say and I would argue makes him even more of a hero.

What is a hero? Someone who makes personal sacrifice for the good of others? Someone who risks enduring the worst possible scenario for no reason other than to expose blatant corruption of the highest order, to protect civil liberties of hundreds of millions? Not sure I could think of anyone more deserving of the title.

I kindly ask for a replacement. Being honest GPT4o is great for redaction, coding, translation, and some other things. It sucks if you don’t have a good technical background. I get this Snowden, but there isn’t replacement…

I’m kinda dense, what’s the “only one reason for appointing an NSA director to your board”?

Can’t read the tweet as Twitter is blocked on Firefox, but my guess would be closer ties with NSA, i.e. NSA can exert more control and monitoring of the data openai collects.

Well, it’s all over for me I guess. Now the NSA will have access to all my questions on how to merge pandas dataframes. Those bastards!

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Yes but “pledge allegiance to Putin” is needed for becoming a citizen. He was no longer safe anywhere else.

He can’t go anywhere that the US has control over which is pretty much everywhere but US enemies

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Well actually he was otw to south america iirc when the US revoked his passport stranding him in Russia, so technically they were the American Government’s choices.

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True, but that is part of becoming a whistle blower. Someone had to leak proof of mass surveillance so that we could do something about it.

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Julian wasn’t a whistle blower as he was a third party. Edward sent a bunch of classified documents to the press

To use his own words:

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Is it hard to interpret running to Russia has the core benefit of not being extradited to the U.S. almost certainly, or at least with higher probability than any other country?

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If you consider exposing massive rule breaking of intelligence services “fucking around” instead of suffering massive consequences for the benefit of basically everyone that uses the internet… Sure he fa&fo

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Amazon had also appointed a former NSA director. Actually, it was Snowden’s director.

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Snowden is wrong though, there are two reasons:

  1. Sell ChatGPT to @NSAGov so they can scan messages better
  2. Make @NSAGov dependant on whatever ChatGPT tells them to do

The AI that ends up enslaving humanity, will start by convincing the people in charge of turning it off, that it would be a really bad idea to turn it off.

He is wrong because he is now a russian shill.

Fuck snowden.

Edit: Let me clarify FUCK SNOWDEN!!!. The second he ran to russia and cowered there he lost all credibility.

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Yeah, how dare he stay in a country that wants to hang him!

damn, didn’t know the NSA had a lemmy acount.

Snowden is a hero

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chelsea manning is a hero not assange or snowden

He could have been instead he cowered behind that shithead putins skirt.

Where else was he supposed to go?

Back to the states. Where by now he would probably be out of jail since it was so high profile. He would have way more credibility of which he has zero now being one of putins tools. I don’t give much credence to what any russian citizen says these days.

This is what hate the government not the people means.

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He would of been put to death

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Why?

He did what he did then ran rather than face the courts. He ran to russia who made him one of their wind up toys.

Fuck MehBlah

You should at least buy me flowers or something first.

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is he a poo poo wee wee bum bum?

What he do?

He was an NSA analyst that told us about things like 5 Eyes. He commited treason by revealing classified information because he took a stance against what he concluded was overreach and problematic behavior and decided to become a whistleblower about it

He did this knowing the punishment was death, so he found refuge which unfortunately is russia.

At this point its not hard to imagine Putin would want to convert snowden but no one who is claiming Snowden is a shill/russian asset is doing so based on any evidence, its all anecdotal and opinion because Putin would absolutely use him if he could convince him

Going by the other comments, his sin appears to be having a Russian passport

World be nice to have something like gpt4all on mobile.

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I personally don’t like OpenAI clones. I would use things that are independent such as Mistral and llama2

Yeah I’m recently discovered the new DuckDuckGo AI feature with both and they are pretty good!

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DDG AI isn’t self hosted and thus isn’t private

Do you know any equally easy alternatives?

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Ollama with a frontend

Obviously, which 🤡 had to wait for him to tell them?

Any online service into which you enter information has the capability to save that information for its own purposes. This includes all the people entering personal or identifying or really any information into “AI” products.

Given that it’s not even particularly useful, I recommend just not using “AI” if you’re not sure how to protect yourself.

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Run local

If you do run local, properly use a firewall to prevent it from phoning home. Or airgap.

So what alternatives to ChatGPT do exist? I‘m currently a premium ChatGPT user and would like to switch to another service. I don‘t care that super much about privacy, but will obviously not use OpenAI products anymore

I’ve been testing Claude the last month. It’s good for 90% of the tasks but for the remaining 10% i couldn’t convince it to give a proper answer and used ChatGPT instead. Technical questions and coding is what I use llms for.

Is it really that useful for you? LLMs are basically parlor tricks.

I understand the science behind those LLM‘s and yes, for my use cases it has been very useful. I use it to cope with emotional difficulties, depression, anxiety, loss. I know it is not helping me the same as a professional would. But it helps me to just get another perspective on situations, which then helps me to understand myself and others better.

Oh that’s totally valid. Sometimes we just need to talk and receive the validation we deserve. I’m sorry we don’t have a society where you have people you can talk to like this instead.

I haven’t personally used any of the offline open source models but if I were you that’s where I’d start looking. If they can be run inside a virtual machine, you can even use a firewall to ensure it never leaks info.

Totally valid? Getting mental health advice from an AI chatbot is one of the least valid use cases. Speak to a real human @earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com, preferably someone close to you or who is professionally trained to assist with your condition. There are billions of English speakers in the world, so don’t pretend we live in a society where there’s “no one to talk to”.

I think you need to chill - please don‘t be triggered by me having an option to make me feel better at the end of the day.

Instead of assuming, you could also just ask. I am using ChatGPT complementary to a mental health professional. Both help me. ChatGPT is here 24/7 and helps me with difficult situations immediately. The mental health professional is then here to solve the problem in a therapeutic way.

Both help me.

That’s good, I’m glad to hear you’re getting professional treatment since your original statement indicated the opposite:

I know it is not helping me the same as a professional would.

They have already stated that they think they should be speaking to someone but are clearly having a hard time. If a chatbot is helping them right now I’m not going to lecture them about “pretending”. I recommend the approach of a polite and empathetic nudging when someone is or may be in crisis.

You literally just encouraged them to continue using a chatbot for mental health support. You didn’t nudge them anywhere.

I was going to let them reply first. You are being rude and dismissive of them, however. Please show your fellow humans a bit more empathy.

LLMs are less magical than upper management wants them to be, which is to say they won’t replace the creative staff that makes art and copy and movie scripts, but they are useful as a tool for those creatives to do their thing. The scary thing was not that LLMs can take tons of examples and create a Simpsons version of Cortana, but that our business leaders are super eager to replace their work staff with the slightest promise of automation.

But yes, LLMs are figuring in advancements of science and engineering, including treatments for Alzheimer’s and diabetes. So it’s not just a parlor trick, rather one that has different useful applications that were originally sold to us.

The power problem (LLMs take a lot of power) remains an issue.

I’m unaware of any substantial research on Alzheimer’s or diabetes that has been done using LLMs. As generative models they’re basically just souped up Markov chains. I think the best you could hope for is something like a meta study that is probably a bit worse than the usual kind.

I agree, things that occure the most in the training data set will have the highest weights/probabilities in the Markov chain. So it is useless in finding the one, tiny relation that humans would not see.

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Https://aihorde.net

FOSS & crowdsourced

Thanks… good admin :D

Hmm… seems Vladimir Putin doesn’t like ChatGPT enough to have his sock puppet write some negative comments about it.

I never did…

Yeah, seriously… We’ve had SO many books and movies about this, everyone.

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