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Author of Piped (and also a member of TeamNewPipe and LibreTube) here.
I haven’t seen any changes from YouTube recently, the ways we fetch age restricted content still seem to work for most videos. However, this method may not work for all videos as YouTube has different levels of age restrictions afaict. I’ve seen very few videos fall under that category personally.
If anything were to change in the future, I may consider implementing something similar to what this extension does (or use their API) in Piped.
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Just like for Reddit. Youtube Front-ends are gonna be rendered useless very very soon.
will this affect apps like revanced too?
@MagneticFusion@lemm.ee the video you posted doesn’t allow embedding. Here’s the error message “This video contains content from Ligue de Football Professionnel, who has blocked it from display on this website or application”
The age restriction bypass for invidious uses an embed client. Here’s an age restricted video that works fine with invidious, because it allows embedding: https://youtu.be/VxhRnfi6yyE
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/VxhRnfi6yyE
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Youtube has age restricted content?
Yeah gotta have graphic detailed pap smear videos for all those
teenage boys jerking offI mean concerned women who want to know what it’s likePlease don’t remind me of the butthole hair removal video
I noticed this last night. Had to change a NewPipe setting, but it all worked after that.
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Go to NewPipe settings–>Content–>tick the Show Age Restricted Content
It may not work forever, with how these companies are going, but it works for now.
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What the crap?! Now I’m concerned…
Is Youtube revanced going to be affected in a similar way?
If it’s an API block, all 3rd party apps will be affected. We’re living in a dystopia, masquerading as a utopia.
Revanced isn’t really thirdparty though, that’s half the point. It will work the same way as the regular YouTube app.
That’s true. I didn’t think of that. Building on top of the official app is against YT’s EULA, and they could get sued (with how lawsuit-happy these companies have gotten as of late, it’s not out of the realm of possibility). Keep the installation file (APK/PAA/etc.) I’m case this happens. At least you’ll have the latest version before the demise.
Unlike Vanced, they don’t redistribute installation files, but rather just the patcher that includes the configurable patches. Revanced users have to already have YouTube apk whether it is from the installed YouTube app or just saved apk so that they could build a patched youtube “revanced” apk with the patcher.
However, I don’t know if redistribution of a patching tool to an app that’s against modification of its binaries is legal.
Eh let’s Google have YouTube it’s crap at literally everything else it does
Age-restricted content seems to work on Piped.video - maybe they patched it just now?
I’m glad that all this complaining is happening on Lemmy and not reddit.
Why’s that?
I guess it would be a little ironic
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Works on my machine. Tested with LibreTube and NewPipe (Sponserblock).
The less I can use this site to satisfy my dopamine removed of a brain, the more I will be forced to touch grass
As of now, I can still view Bobby Yeah on PipePipe without any problems not sure if whatever change has been fully rolled out and implemented yet, but I ain’t got problems yet.
Also, I will wait for the news that people have found a way around it. People will always find a way around it. The yt staff may seem smart, but they are nowhere near as smart at the combined brainpower of those looking for a way around any and all obstacles.
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Not the most elegant or guaranteed safe way, but I took the video link and put it into a website for downloading yt videos and was able to get it to play and I could download it. Of course I didn’t since I don’t trust the site since it’s part of a work in progress section of a rentry site headed by the r/piracy people (though I’m not sure if they still work on it or if it’s now updated by the piracy@lemmy.dbzero0.com people or just flat out dead).
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=d3W3fHaLHD4
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Good bot.
I think my gmail account by itself is of legal age.
If you don’t like Google’s practices, stop using Google. It’s silly to be upset when they change rules to favor themselves. Go somewhere that respects you. Sure, .ost alternatives have less content, but it won’t grow without more users.
Yep. People in general have an aversion to doing anything that encourages positive change if it is too inconvenient to how they have become accustom to doing things.
Companies like Alphabet are very aware of this fact. Once the limits of the push back becomes a few weeks of bitching online then everyone gets back to using the products and services, there is no reason to listen to the complaints of the users.
Someday even the air you breathe will be sold by a corporation… then your comment will appear silly.
YouTube videos being compared to a necessity like air is absolutely childish. That’s an entirely different concept and it’s only possible if you don’t do what I just suggested. So you’re basically fighting for that future. Good job. Maybe watch less YouTube? Books still exist. Many people get by in life just fine without being glued to a screen.
@pjhenry1216 @MagneticFusion @eskimofry Nonetheless, the air you breathe WILL be sold by a corporation, and your comment will appear silly in that context. Corporations don’t go away just because you stop interacting with them - blanket refusal to interact mostly just handicaps yourself.
To be fair, that could only happen if you stick to that mentality.
If it were an ideal free market with an infinite amount of competitor, you’d be right. That logic ceases to function in a monopolistic context. In the case of YouTube it’s not “go to the competition” because there’s none. It’s “stop watching online videos”, which is still possible but a huge shift in habits, hobbies, and cultural environment. It’s extremely difficult and only a tiny minority will succeed because human’s psychology is a real thing.
It’s watch different videos. It’s petitioning your favorite creators to join a different platform. Get them to post videos on both platforms or something. That you think it’s just giving up and not doing anything is silly. How sad is the future if no one is willing to try for anything better anymore because it’s not comfortable? Damn.
Where?
What is the alternative to youtube? Daily motion?
More and more YT-creators are parallel uploading on Odysee, Mental Outlaw or Cold Fusion as examples. I really hope more will follow.
It has nowhere near the same amount of users compared to daily motion, Vimeo, etc., but Odysee is a closer “alternative” to YouTube in the sense that it has a very similar interface and functionality to YouTube. It has a lot to address in terms of promoting more diverse content and addressing how toxic the comments can be. A lot of the content creators are people that also run youtube channels. There’s still so much more incentive to stick with YouTube, both as viewers and creators. It’s still very, very far away from contending with YouTube, if ever.
Odysee is an alternative in the same way that parler is technically an alternative to twitter.
But most sane people stay far away.
Well, that’s my point. Any social media platform is an alternative to Twitter just as any video sharing platform is an alternative to YouTube.
In reality, any “alternative” platform is hardly an alternative if it’s attempting to replace something that is among the most visited websites globally with billions of users. Most people don’t want to deal with the inconvenience of using an obscure service for the sake of privacy or any other principle.
I only mentioned Odyssey because it’s interface is very similar to YouTube, which is important if you want people to switch. Of course, any service without corporate backing and momentum largely driven by major platforms is not going to be replacing any platforms that have already established themselves as the de facto service within its platform.
I doubt it’ll last much longer: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/16/lbry-closes-odysee-cryptocurrency-tech-sec-fraud-extremist
I’ve been watching Nebula for a while. They have quite a few of my favorite channels, exclusive content, no ads and they’re fairly inexpensive.
I’ve considered it but the max filesize for dailymotion is 2 gigabytes so that might pose some issues for people.
I dunno, there’s a couple out there. But you vote with your wallet(edit: or your personal data). If you don’t like what they’re doing, stop using it. Using it is simply condoning the practice.
Edit: I don’t really watch much online video outside of paid services. So I don’t have a direct answer. Sure, it’s easier for me to avoid, but that’s going to always be the case for someone for anything.
So you have no dog in this fight but you’re fine telling everyone to just leave. Not very useful.
But it’s true. If you keep using the service, it won’t change. Why would it? If you give in every time, they have no reason to stop. I have no dog in the game so I can view this objectively. You clearly can’t. You are emotionally attached to the service and can’t give it up no matter how it abuses you. I used to use Google. I do not anymore. No more Gmail. I actually pay for my email service.
Even if you stop using it, it still won’t change.
Because the vast majority of people are uninformed or don’t care enough to move, so a stupidly large amount of content is only accessible on YouTube.
Individual action is ineffective.
Soooo just give up and give in. Got it.
Individual action doing nothing will do less.
Edit: Facebook used to make Twitter look like a laughing stock. Tables turned. Facebook used to be where the youth congregated on social media. Things changed. Individual action taken by lots of people will work.
I didn’t say just give up. But understand what is being asked with the suggestion of “just don’t use YouTube”.
Also text-based social media is going to be less expensive to disrupt than video.
I’m not saying it’s impossible. But “don’t use YouTube” is kinda not an answer. Maybe supporting creators on alternative platforms is a good idea.
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That sucks. But shit happens. You either support Google or you don’t. There’s no “I support them when they have something I want.”
You don’t support google by watching content hosted by them when they don’t get revenue nor statistics from it. That is purely just making use of it.
Only if you never mention the content’s subject matter otherwise you will drive traffic there, regardless of how you consumed it. You drive up desire for the content. A vegan can use a secondhand leather belt and not contribute to animal cruelty, but it may drive someone else to want a leather belt.
NewPipe still seems to work for me.
How is it “outrageous” when you’re accessing a service through a means that is not supported, and likely frowned upon? They are not obligated to make everything work through those means.
I write as a daily user of newpipe, which I love dearly!
You and OP are both right, IMHO.
The issue is that things like YouTube are so ubiquitous and have such a stranglehold that it seems like it should be a service in public control and without a corporate overlord with ulterior motives. That’s the strange thing about the internet right now and ultimately the stage of capitalism we’re in: there are a ton of tacit monopolies which are not being held to any standard about what they control. Some of them look a lot like utilities (e.g. ISPs) since they are so ubiquitous (and compare YouTube to public television 50 years ago – not a utility, but also not something that has traditionally been possible for any single corporation).
That said, ultimately these companies will continue to do whatever they want because they can (until real regulation returns, but I have my qualms it will ever happen at this point).
Let’s say we continue down this path. Soon you can’t even live the way you want because some corp will control things like when you eat, when you sleep, what media you consume,… oh wait…
For a normal company, that is a perfectly reasonable policy. What’s really the outraging part here, is that YouTube holds a monopoly on tons of content.
People feel forced to access YouTube to live their lives, whether that’s just to watch entertainment they’ve followed for a while, or because a colleague sends a link to a YouTube video, or because when looking up stuff, the only explanation seems to be in a YouTube video.
If they could simply go to a competitor with a less shitty app, less awful privacy practices or a more open ecosystem, they wouldn’t need to complain about YouTube to begin with.
I mean you could start a competitor. So could anyone. Only a company like Google can afford to keep losing money on something like YouTube.
Funny thing is I wouldn’t want the content to be decentralized. It’s nice to find all my crap in one place; and let a big company waste money to serve it.
This corporate Stockholm syndrome is so sad. “We need a better jailer!”
In a better world, i.e. the one of the internet as it was designed, you wouldn’t need to look for “a competitor” to Youtube. People would publish their stuff anywhere, using any software, and open protocols would make it all easy to find. The “all my crap in one place” would just be a cached decentralized index of some kind.
Yes, I know that the better world is further off than ever, but it is possible and it is better.
I agree fully. People should move out of youtube. Situation really isn’t outrageous. Just a private company doing private company things. I hope this pushes more people to use/create alternatives.
@miniu @Knusper https://odysee.com/
Peertube is so much better than odysee and it’s a part of the fediverse just like lemmy
What would you say are your favorite peertube apps?
That won’t exist for long anymore: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/16/lbry-closes-odysee-cryptocurrency-tech-sec-fraud-extremist
I agree, strange choice of words.