We now know that the data collection in modern cars is out of control -- The question is, how does that data even leave your car? And what, if anything, can you do to stop it?
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Do not use Odysee. It is run by Nazis and I don’t mean Nazi by Lemmy standards I mean Nazi as in hating Jews. Half the comments people calling you a Jew in a derogatory sense. It is a safe haven for people who actively target anyone that is not white and strict southern Christian.
I comment all the time there and read comments all the time. I never see any commenters attacked for being Jews ever. Look, that’s not to say that Jew haters aren’t on the platform, and I find it very annoying that they seem to be brigading the platform in the comment space, but the place certainly ain’t run by Nazi’s. It’s just unfortunate that people like that have to ruin the reputation of the platform and turn people off from it. The comments seem far less moderated than the videos of the platform, because remember that moderation on the Odysee front-end does exist. I’m mostly saying this for the reader, since you probably already know this, but here is one example from the community guidelines:
So you certainly can’t argue that Odysee allows this content on the platform. I’ve only once (one time too many, though!) seen someone actually directly promote violence. I slimed it (disliked), reported it, and told other people to do the same (sliming it enough hides the comment like a spoiler), and the other viewers did so. That’s the first time I’ve ever done that, but if you saw what he was promoting, you would probably think he should go to a mental ward. Thankfully, people did slime it, and it became hidden, before eventually being removed by the site moderators.
Yeah I deleted my account instantly once I noticed how toxic it is.
You are correct, and thankfully peertube exists and is currently not full of nazis (at least from the instances I’ve checked). Their federation model seems to be opt in instead of opt out though, so it’s hard to actually find content, unfortunately.
The most populated instance I’ve found is https://tilvids.com/, which has a bunch of educational and tech videos.
oh wow, yeah. This stuff doesn’t look well for the people running that site.
https://odysee.com/@WorldTruthSeekers:6/JewishProblem:1
I worked for LBRY before Odysee spin off. Worst culture from the C-Suite you could ever imagine. Autistic sociopathy is the only way to describe it.
That sucks to hear, at one point I was really hoping it would become a viable yt alternative. Not that I ever expected their cryptocurrency to “moon” but it was at least an interesting idea to compensate people for seeding video.
It should have. This is why I joined, and in fact there’s no technology reason why it shouldn’t have. The CEO et al simply did not understand that the content creator was their customer and viewed them, somehow, with disdain—despite being anti IP anarchist types, they were oxymoronic when it came to understanding who they needed to serve.
I think the best way for it to live on is as a software fork / side chain to BTC/BCH. Or you could refactor it completely against Celestia. Ethereum it wouldn’t work because the data shards demand too much and would cause L1 fee spikes.
Why exactly does vehicleprivacyreport want my VIN instead of year make and model? That’s me giving an unvetted third party website the unique tracking token for my car….
Lets talk about IMEIs of our phones too… Why is it illegal to change your phone IMEI?
Exactly!
On one hand yes, but on the other hand, doesn’t it confuse the cell network? I think the IMEI is used for routing or some other similarly basic operation. Like the MAC address, but it’s for a larger area and more easily can cause trouble
No, there are no confusions. Changing the “id” like the MAC address or the IMEI has no impact on any system.
Its just like a new device joins a network.
For example, when a client device gets its IP from the dhcp server on a router, which allocates a random ip from a specific pool, it does not influence anything like ip packets routing…
The real issue is that it is forbiden, BECAUSE if you randomize it you do not have an unique id anymore to trace back a specific device…
Hope is more clear for you now!
On the system none, yeah. But if you pick an IMEI that’s also used by an other phone, that is what can cause trouble, as I know. It’s the same as when multiple devices have the same MAC or IP address on the same network.
That’s because it is not random. The DHCP server keeps track of the addresses it has assigned to someone, and will never tell the next new client to use an IP it has already assigned someone.
But if you set your IP statically and pick an IP that is used, or if you run multiple DHCP severs for the same network without coordination, then problems will come.
Yes you are correct!
But in our discussion it was implied/assumed a random UNIQUE IMEI or MAC address.
For example most of people have a pile of unused older phones which are NOT IN USE and you could use thoses IMEIs without issues.
Theoretically, the SIM has its own MAC that’s used for routing on the cellular network; however, the network is required to route 911 calls even without a SIM, and that’s done via IMEI.
Hardware in cars, like hardware in computers drifts in configuration over manufacturing time. Some cars from a manufacturer might have some granularity of tracking that earlier units off the line didn’t. Toyota does this with their Camry hybrids, for example.
The model year and other relevant info is found in the first part of the VIN. There’s no legit reason for it to demand the whole thing, which it does.
I was excited for EVs but it looks like I’ll be driving gasoline dinosaurs for the rest of my life.
Someone is bound to start selling conversion kits for regular cars eventually - turn your 20 year old gas dinosaur into a zippy EV or hybrid, no spyware required. We can already do it with two-wheelers, and Edison Motors is well on their way to making kits to turn big trucks into hybrids.
I tried this more than 15 years ago…
Besides money, batteries and a lot of effort you know why it did not work?
AUTHORITIES they would not “license” a converted car from gas to electric.
and YES the SAME AUTHORITIES that are saying now and pretend to care about environment and push all these EVs and Hybrids to “Save our Planet”
Fucking hypocrites!
That actually would be pretty cool. Especially mid sized SUVs that have AWD
Yup. Fearing the same as well. All I’m asking for is a car, not a Windows computer.
Right, like if I want a tablet in my car I will just get a dash mount arm and throw whatever current gen tablet on it. I don’t need it as a part of the car.
Sadly it seems our best bet would be to build it ourselves.
Aptera supports Right to Repair.,
Edison Motors has preorders for their pickup truck conversion kits as well if you need something bigger.
I like Aptera and have a couple of them pre-ordered but that’s nothing but a promise. They have plans to IPO. Zero chance their consumer-friendly approach survives that for very long.
Only slightly higher chance that they actually get to market too… Fingers crossed for 2025.
They promised first deliveries before the end of 2022. The only thing they showed up with was a new prototype. There was no explanation given. No acknowledgement. They since pushed the delivery dates back 3 more times, each with no acknowledgement or explanation. Now they say late 2025. I am not hopeful.
I wonder WHEN that “right” has been TAKEN?
Lets wake up for fuck sake and push back!
I’m imagining cars like Framework laptops and you can install an open source OS of your own choice to operate it.
beautiful
I literally had this thought the other day. I feel like car guys would love it too. A potential untapped market
Are you retarded? How would you see where you are going if you can’t see.
What?
It will have to be the older gasoline dinosaurs, all the ones today spy
Yes well, older gasoline cars are the only cars. That’s what I meant.
That’s a good thing, you can re-fuel it without having to find a dedicated charging spot and compared to EVs they are far more repairable.
Hurr, my 1000 piece gas engine transmission are easier to fix than an electric motor with literally 2 bearings!
No modern car by a major manufacture is easily repairable, ICE or EV.
Exactly right, they are all extremely complex mechanically and electronically. Engine and transmission technology have come a long way, and I guess the absurd complexity is the trade-off we got for the improvements
The complexity does no necessity locking diagnostic code away from consumers or small shops. The complexity does not necessity creating increasingly granular parts that don’t work between close models. The “improvements” are often just marketing hype or incremental nonsense. The infotainment centers on cars are a great example.
People are aguing about the reparability thing a lot. Current electric cars are less reparable, but that is by design. Car manufacturers are using electric as an excuse to make cars harder to repair. The reality is that electric motors and batteries are dead simple, they just add a bunch of techno bullshit to make them worse. Charging is bad right now, but that will improve with time, just like gas did when gas cars were new. I like cars, and hate seeing them being turned into what they are today, but there is nothing fundamentally different about electric cars to make them the piles of absolute garbage they are, (apart from battery technology not being great right now). 90% of the problems with electric cars are there by design, and I think everyone should buy a car that isn’t designed to suck, whether it’s gas, electric, steam, or fart powered.
Really? Does it rain gas from the sky in your area?
No they’re not.
Ive been fixing and repairing the same 04 Ford Focus for over 6 years. Its been legally totaled over 6 times, if you can find a hybrid that would be as easy to repair I’d love to see it.
We weren’t talking about hybrids. Old Nissan Leaf probably equally easy.
Yes you can re-fuel it, ever heard of a gas can? While you’re waiting for your EV to charge on the side of the road I’m already off driving. I should have specified old dumb cars are more repairable.
So people just leave full gas cans all over the place in your area?
An EV charges nearly as quickly as you can fill up yours with gas…
As an owner of a plug-in hybrid this is patently incorrect. Most electric car owners have at most of 240 volt outlet (in the US), which while can fill your battery in a few hours from home, still falls short of the half hour round trip to gas station and back. Maybe with time our infrastructure and technology will get to that point though.
It’s not incorrect, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.
This guy has an interesting perspective on that topic. He provides good points on how what you’re saying could be wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkabBP85e2I
Interesting video, never knew about custom operating systems/firmware for EVs. Still an old dumb car is what I will use for the time being.
Bikes are great. Just saying.
Until you have to travel over 40 miles in any direction.
I live car-free, and I travel over 40 miles every now and then.
Well done mate!
What about every day?
I don’t need that: I live in a city. Suburbs suck.
Then your argument is invalid
What argument? I’m just saying that it works for me and many others.
Most commutes aren’t 40 miles even for suburbanites. Some people get worked up for suggesting that biking is viable for a lot of us for no reason, talking about edge cases, that often could be covered by public transport.
40?
You’re in better shape than I am.
Probably because he rides a bike
No, because when it’s over 40 he either uses a bus, train, plane, or someone else’s car. He never said he bikes 40mi, he says “sometimes he travels 40mi.”
Seems the commenter you replied to either thinks he means bikes, or was making a joke about the obvious missing information on the method of over 40mi travel.
And only some e-bikes have a built-in cell phone.
You don’t have a disability. Just saying.
there are also many disabilities that prevents one from driving. Meanwhile infrastructure that is safe for bikes would also be safe for mobility devices travel
How ableist of you. Like so many others, if I could ride a bike I would.
How ableist of you to assume that we could read your reply.
Tbf there is sort of a barrier to entry to text based websites or at least the comment section therein, it is a reasonable expectation that everyone reading the comment section can either read or TTS it or else they wouldn’t be here. It is not a reasonable assumption that everyone who is concerned about the privacy of automobiles has the use of their legs. While cars can be built in such a way that legs are not necessary, to my knowledge bicycles have yet to be unless we’re counting wheelchairs.
Of course they lied about it. I don’t know how anybody could have believed them in the first place.
Because the general population doesn’t know much about data privacy and they are purposefully mislead and inticed into accepting agreements that share all that information out. The point of NBTV is to raise awareness.
Exactly! This person knows what I am saying! ☝️
They’re fed propaganda to believe that privacy doesn’t matter….
But just imagine a Google admin had access to all the information about you and wanted to blackmail you into doing something…. The sheer power of that is terrifying.
I’m thanksful that there are more people like us who understand the source of the issues…
I’d be up for a review on new models, e.g https://kilow.com/pages/la-bagnole from France, which claims to be repairable.
That thing looks hilarious!
Was very intrigued but this isn’t a serious alternative, they themselves refer to it as a toy multiple times on the website (even comes in it’s own giant toy box).
Yes.