Privacy win: Starting today Facebook must pay $100.000 to Norway each day for violating our right to privacy.
tutanota.comWith a fine of only $100,000 Norway could destroy Facebook's & Instagram's business model relying on personalized ads.
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They make $1.4B per day. This is basically just a cheap subscription for them
Is there any post about some fine for a tech company where this isn’t the top comment?
Maybe not, but it is a good reminder each time anyway.
it’s not $100 as OP wrote, it’s $100000
Still meaningless with zero effect on company value.
Not really.
Norway has 5,391,369 people, and assuming ~40% use facebook, that’s 2 million people that use facebook. 36.5 million dollars per year of fines mean that it’s 18 dollars per user per year.
Facebook has 2 billion users worldwide, and has a revenue of 33 billion every year. If all of those 2 billion users fined facebook for 18 dollars per year, that’s their whole revenue gone.
It just doesn’t have that much effect right now because it’s only norway doing it.
So, my comment stands. Stupid reply.
With only one country doing this, they can soak the cost, but the ARPU (average revenue per user) of Facebook, or any social media site, is actually quite low. It literally costs them money to operate in the country now.
The question becomes “How many other countries can do the same before we are forced to care?”
Fun Fact: Reddit had the lowest ARPU of any major social media.
Hope he didn’t write $100 Americans just refuse to acknowledge the existence of other cultures and can’t be bothered to try to learn to understand them.
The presence of multiple zeros after the decimal point is the big clue you know.
I see, but I’ve never encountered that in my life.
I’m not American, I’m from Australia and watch a lot of overseas content. I guess I just didn’t encounter it then.
It’s very common around the world: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Influence_of_calculators_and_computers
I don’t know where you’re getting that number but it’s definitely wrong. Their most profitable year so far was 2021, and they made $39.4 billion for the entire year. Source
So assuming things haven’t changed too much for them, this is about 1%. Barely noticeable.
No, it’s 0.1%. But Norway could be less than 1% of their market, so it’s somewhat significant.
I mean, I want them to pay as much as possible, but 1% of their global revenue, for just a small country like Norway, still seems pretty decent.
Ah. Got that number from a Google search. Thanks for telling me.
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But I really hope this sets a precedent for all other countries, need money to finance something? Just tax the shit out of Facebook. Of course it’s a joke, we should properly tax them in the first place, or better yet force them not to exploit people data for profit
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I think the 2 points the article makes about that are pretty valid though. It’s most probably more than Facebook’s revenue in this single country plus it’s just the beginning.
Companies operate at a loss in certain markets all the time in order to keep competition out. Even if they’re not profitable in Norway, they don’t want a Norwegian social network muscling in on their territory.
It must be nice to live in a country that actively protects its people.
I would love for the EU to just go all-out hardcore privacy protection and fine GAFAM et al. into fucking oblivion for not complying. If they shut down services, that’s probably for the better, although it will be a rough awakening for most people (probably including myself)
Protectionism🤮
GAFAM?
Just a guess:
Google
Amazon
Facebook
Apple
Microsoft
Google Amazon Facebook Apple Microsoft
The big 5 tech: Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft
There’s a few other acronyms for the same, this is the one I remember most often
From the article:
This is a reasonable observation and I wonder what Meta would do once one of their services becomes unprofitable in a specific country. Anyway if you add Instagram and WhatsApp to the math, maybe they would still generate profits from the Norwegian userbase
I wonder if this is a big amount for Norway’s government. After 3 years you’ve got 100 million dollars. Not huge but you could build a nice hospital or something with that.
Dude, Norway is one of the richest countries in the world.
Not really, they have the world’s biggest sovereign wealth fund. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway
per capita, iirc, Norway is richer than U.S.
they don’t need to fine fecesbook to get rich
For comparison, if you made $365,000 per year this would be the same as you paying 7 cents per day in a fine, or $25 per year.
If a fine is less than the profit it is legal and the cost of doing business.
Did you mean $365,000,000? Or did you get confused by the “.”? Cause that’s used as a comma for numbers in a lot of European countries, so it’s $100k per day, not $100.
Also, it’d be exactly 10 cents per day, since $365k per year would be $1k per day, which 100 is 10% of.
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No, they meant 100k is 0.0071428571429% of 1.4b, and 26 is the same percent of 365k. Basically, if you made 365k a year and had an equal percentage fine, it would come out to less than 7 cents per day.
Ah, my mistake.
Thanks for checking my math
Exactly right. Facebook will factor this in as am expected cost of doing business (if they didn’t already) and their stock will go up. This isn’t a penalty, this is just like paying a bribe. In the end, both are just lining the pockets of officials more interested in appearing to do something for the next news cycle so they can get re-elected.
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