Brave Software has announced plans to deprecate the 'Strict' fingerprinting protection mode in its privacy-focused Brave Browser because it causes many sites to function incorrectly.
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I’d rather have the sites break to be honest
I don’t like brave browser from first use. Something seemed off.
Not that brave after all.
Whenever people tell me to use Brave, I know they fall for marketing very easily
Brave is simply usable Chromium. On GrapheneOS it is not the most secure as it has its own Chromium engine which is not as hardened poorly.
On Linux it works well with hardened_malloc while Firefox straight up does not run. This is probably because Firefox has memory issues.
It sucks relying on Chromium as Firefoxes UX is top tier. I have no idea why normies are using Chromium Browsers, they all suck for UX, especially Chrome.
But on Android and Linux Chromium is very secure, while Firefox is at least questionable.
Brave sets very weird priorities though, they dont focus on many features people need and instead bloat everything with news or crypto stuff that doesnt even support Monero.
I use it. I don’t get marketing because I use brave, which has a fucking indestructible adblocker. Like while everyone was panicking from the YouTube issues, I’ve never seen a single message to turn it off on YouTube. And there was a bunch of other things that users has reported, like slow videos, that brave just didn’t have problems with.
ublock origin works fine for me on firefox. i use freetube (desktop client), but when i use the youtube website i don’t have ad issues.
Firefox with ublock origin and you will unironically have an near identical experience
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Le lion shills? I am unfamiliar with this.
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Never used 4chan. Thanks for explaining though!
Tim Pool uses Brave…
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Say no more 🤮
Braves default fingerprinting protection is better than the one that librewolf uses, or at least it is according to the EFF.
Brave to end ‘Strict’ fingerprinting protection as it breaks owns ad revenue.
No it literally breaks sites. I was using Firefox with Arkenfox user.js, basically Torbrowser, and nothing broke unless the site told me “your browser is not supported”. Braves strong defaults broke Github and more.
Was strict the default? I’d assume the standard would be the default.
I’d imagine if you were using strict you want the sites to break because you absolutely do not want fingerprinting. That kindof restriction usually comes with the breaking being expected.
Yes probably. I have no idea what they did though, because Arkenfox / Torbrowser doesnt break anything.
Noscript and ublock origin are both MV2. But Brave wants to keep supporting MV2.
So I think they should not try implementing stuff extensions already do better, but at the same time something like this is the only way if they want to also go full MV3 and save themselves a lot of maintenance
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Not much Brave can do there? I dont know what they did. You are probably better off with UBO and NoScript (both MV2 btw).
But everyone is escalating about Brave removing a broken feature as if they where getting worse or something. The feature was broken, they removed it. Thats it.
The scam company brave? The one that scams people? With their scam based crypto rewards that don’t pay out? THAT brave?
Their strict protections literally broke sites. Just use noscript and ublock, works way better.
I just don’t use brave and things are better for me.
These comments are rambling piles of garbage.
That’s great, but what do you think about brave and their cool scam group?
What group?
They call themselves brave software incorporated.
And what sources do you have for these accusitions?
There’s no reason to hate Brave unless you have a political bias against their CEO.
Besides in 2016, when Brave promised to remove banner ads from websites and replace them with their own, basically trying to extract money directly from websites without the consent of their owners
And when the CEO unilaterally added a fringe, pay-to-win Wikipedia clone into the default search engine list.
And in 2018, Tom Scott and other creators noticed Brave was soliciting donations in their names without their knowledge or consent.
And in 2020, when Brave got caught injecting URLs with affiliate codes when users tried browsing to various websites.
Also in 2020, when they silently started injecting ads into their home page backgrounds, pocketing the revenue. There was a lot of pushback: “the sponsored backgrounds give a bad first impression.” Further requests were ignored (immediately closed)
And in 2022, when Brave floated the idea of further discouraging users from disabling sponsored messages.
And in 2023, when Brave got caught installing a paid VPN service on users’ computers without their consent.
This made me wonder - is there any active Best Of community on any instance? This would be a perfect candidate.
We really need a based privacy-first Chromium fork… something that
You’re right, no reason at all :)
You can dig as much shit on Mozilla. Every big browser company right now is shitty
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I had a small mountain of BAT they locked me out of due to shoddy linking with their banking affiliates and out of date DRM practices locking me out of my account due to too many devices being logged in (each OS update counted as its own device).
I noticed you didn’t have that linked, that’s because not every shitty move a company makes gets news coverage. Sorry I don’t fit into your narrow view on what constitutes a valid reason.
If there’s something interesting to add to the list, I’m curious. Brave did partner with a criminal organization currently under a $1.1 billion lawsuit, but I don’t have enough information about your particular case.
Did the software lock you out or did their servers? Was this reported on anywhere?
The banking backend that grifted me is called uphold and at the time that was the ONLY way to move BAT out of their wallet.
The device limit was a known issue for years and I left before they fixed it.
While I was still a user I would try their forum for support. Big shocker, LOTS of other users had the same issue and reports got ignored or muted by the mods there.
But other than that, there’s no reason!
How are they getting this data? If it’s with telemetry this data doesn’t seem reliable, I doubt that people who change the fingerprint setting don’t disable telemetry.
Alternatively, lol
Brave is shite
Their strict protections literally broke sites. Just use noscript and ublock, works way better.
Honestly you really should be using Firefox.
I’ve been having a pretty good experience with Mullvad, however I don’t hear many people talking about it. I wonder why is that, IIRC it’s being developed with Tor Foundation, and is basically a Tor browser for clear web, and that sounds perfect. So far, I didn’t run into any issues, so is there a catch, or are they just not well enough known yet? Or, maybe people are turned away by their optional VPN?
Probably because LibreWolf is most of the way there, and the Mullvad branding + proprietary VPN is more than a bit much. I use(d) the VPN alongside it and found the add-on “hints” regarding the correct DNS settings more frustrating than helpful, too.
I was using LibreWolf before, but I really like the idea of bundling VPN + Browser, and also the way they handle payments - not only is Mullvad VPN kind of cheap, I can just pay with crypto and don’t need any account (kind of - you just generate username that also serves as an password, without any other contact information required).
But what I like the most about it is the idea of making a browser with the goal of having the same fingerprint between users (as much as possible), and offering it with a VPN - becuase that means that most of other users of the VPN will probably also have the same fingerprint from the browser, so you will blend in with them. I wasn’t really sold on the idea of VPN before that and didn’t use one, but this was what convinced me.
But tbh I haven’t done much research into the company, or into the effectivness of their implementation. I’m kind of betting on their cooperation with Tor Browser, which should have most of this stuff already figured out. But it’s possible that other browsers are just better at it, I never checked.
I do however still use LibreWolf for the occasional site that breaks with Mullvad, but it’s not something that happens too often.
Hmm, I don’t think I’ve ever noticed anything about DNS. I think I’ve actually never click on the browser vpn extension, though :D Is it the encrypted DNS hint?
EDIT: Found this, apparently it’s doing pretty well https://privacytests.org/
Firefox’s resist fingerprinting breaks sites too.
I have encountered a handful of sites that it broke as well. I use the strict protection option and manually add exceptions to the few sites it breaks - then I never have any other issues with them
It doesn’t really break things for me personally. However if it does break something just turn it off.
yes, why are people so allergic to it??
The UI is somewhat clunky and it feels half dead.
I really wish Mozilla would rethink there business.
whats clunky about it??
a browser is just an address bar and tabs
With tons if spacing between everything
compact mode, in the same place you would change the theme
i use it for this very reason
Firefox lacks a ton of features and its default settings have terrible fingerprinting protection to start.
Then customize it. Honestly they aren’t all that bad and by using Firefox you ate not supporting google.
I have done that, and it a horrible, it takes more work to make a useChrone.css on firefox than to setup a wm on linux lol
You can also use any of the forks of chromium and not support google, what you said is like telling people not use grapheneos because it is a fork of android.
If we had a working alternative to Android as a whole, we would surely use it. But Linux on mobile works only in few devices and not flawlessly at all. But for the Chromium monopoly we have an actual alternative that works.
Linux on phones already work, just that phonecalls might not work sometimes, but if you are into privacy you might as well not use that anyway lol.
So yeah, time to drop graphene and start using linux on phones, if you managed to get firefox to work you can use linux phones, sure some websites might not work on firefox (that is not fault of firefox, same way not all apps might work on linux) and you may need to do some coding to get some things to your liking (using custom.css files is like settings up a bunch of configs and scripts on linux) and you might need to add a bunch extensions to get basic features (like adding extensions to gnome lol).
What features are missing?
Yeah, Firefox lacks features like built-in pop-up ads, full screen homepage ads (those ones are enabled by default), and a VPN you probably didn’t even purchase.
Truly, the features I wanted to clog up my hard drive whether I use them or not
You forgot built in crypto scams that can’t be disabled.
Which one cant be disabled?
The affiliate link one certainly couldn’t. It wasn’t until people identified it and started complaining that the company had to backpedal.
And even for the scam stuff that can be disabled, why should it be downloaded, installed, and take up space on the hard drive to begin with? If it’s so good, they can make it an add-on for people to optionally choose.
Well, the reason that is because brave wants you to use that, same way mozilla wants to you use their account services and the cloudflare dns that you can opt out of but can’t uninstall unless you use a fork of firefox.
And also I don’t know why you put emphasis on space usage when firefox uses more resources on websites than brave and chromium, I tested it back when using xfce4 and for 3 tabs and the total system mem usage was 1.24 GIB for firefox and 1 GiB for Chromium and Brave. And when I did that test chromium hadn’t implemented a new feature that they added that moves inactive tabs to the disk.
I also don’t think I’m gaining anything by replying to your comment after you didn’t even bother replying when I told you all the issues and missing features that firefox has and instead focus on hating brave. I hope you’re doing this because you hate the brave ceo and not because of some weird fanboyism with firefox lol.
Brave cryptocurrency crap = a Firefox account? Come on, at least compare apples to apples.
Because we were talking about how opting out of cryptocurrency crap doesn’t fix the issues with it being installed by default.
FIrefox lacks vertical tabs, can’t change the default new tab page background color without having to use a custom .css file.
Having to use a userContent.css for something so basic is insane. That is orders of magnitude more work than disabling the crypto ads in brave which you don’t even have to go in the settings to disable, it is right on the homepage menu.
Also firefox lacks configurable keybinds and when I used librewolf I had to add two extensions for something that basic.
One was to change the default keybinds to changing tabs from alt+123 to control+123 because for some reason they changed it on linux to that which is retarded (opening a new tab is still control+t so you can’t just say that it is all the control options that got moved to alt lol).
The other extension was to deattach the tab which firefox has no keybind set for it.
And one of the best features that firefox has, which is the userChrome.css has only gotten worse over time with it breaking with new updates and also now having it disabled by default and hidden inside the about:config menu.
The default vpn on brave is terrible, although that only affected windows. And firefox is only slightly better on this because and pardon me if I’m mistaken (I don’t wanna install firefox to check lol) didn’t they change the default settings to send all dns over https to cloudflare? On librewolf they got rid of the default one and you have to provide one instead.
Edit: Look no further, you even have to install ublock origin on firefox to get rid of ads and also configure its filter list if you want to get rid of cookie prompts, something that brave does by default already.
These are all UI things you can add with extensions or some modding. Firefox needs forks for that.
Not to speak of actual features like sandboxing on android, user namespace sandboxing on Linux, and more.
Yeah no biggy, just some 7 extensions and some css and you will get somewhat usable experience on Firefox…
And? It’s not hard at all to install extensions.
That is horrible that you have to install a bunch of extensions for basic features, and one of those extensions to fix something that mozilla went out of their way to break on linux and not that they havent add.
And there is also things like syncing the user sessions and settings without an email which brave can do while firefox and forks can’t
edit: And you ignored half of my comment, doing css to get firefox to work IS NOT EASY lmao.
You’d be amazed what you can do with
userChrome.css.True. This needs better documentation though, and I would highly appreciate to have official templates.
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The real answer
I’d ask why they don’t make it optional (I’m not a Brave user) but it seems it was.
Given that, I’m inclined to agree with the decision to remove it. Pick your battles and live to fight another day.
Both points are a bit BS.
Based exclusively on whether a user had not gone through the Brave’s browser settings and disabled the “Send statistics about my behavior to the Brave corporate HQ” flag.
In other words, the number is useless.
This argument could be used to tell people to avoid using the Brave browser too. After all, only a minority of people do. The best way to blend in would be to use Google Chrome on Windows 11, and improve no privacy settings.
Unless someone wants to argue that using Brave makes you an acceptable degree of unique, but using advanced tracking blocking makes you unacceptably unique.
So rather than fixing the issue they just removed it entirely.
That’s kind of a joke from a “privacy” based browser.
Unless there’s a strong correlation between those who set fingerprint protection to strict and those that disable telemetry
In that case they’re about to piss off a much larger portion of their users than they realize
but if they have all that disabled, they probably have their ads disabled too, which means they are not making Brave any money. So they don’t care.
I used brave for a while, but left as I felt there was something fishy about them. Seems I was right
Their strict protections literally broke sites. Just use noscript and ublock, works way better.
Damn I didn’t hate on brave before for all the dumb crypto hate, but this is fuuucked
Their strict protections literally broke sites. Just use noscript and ublock, works way better.
fuck brave all my homies hate brave
Their strict protections literally broke sites. Just use noscript and ublock, works way better.
What would you use then, if Firefox doesnt launch when using hardened_malloc on Linux?
So we’re shitting on a browser because of a bug reported 2 days ago?
I dont know what you want to tell with that, but yes, its long known and that bug is simply newer.
Your friendly reminder that the Brave CEO is Mozillas old CEO, who was fired from Mozilla for being unapologetically homophobic.
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Worse than merely being homophobic, as he financially supported politicians and causes that worked to prevent equal rights.
Since everyone else is piling on negatively, I appreciated your friendly reminder.
He wasn’t fired. He voluntarily left. And thus Mozilla is left with an incompetent CEO whose only aim is to increase her paycheck year after year, despite pathetic market share results for FF. Enjoy that.
That said, nobody cares about your “friendly remainders”. We’re talking about software here, not politics.
And, to stay on topic, yes, it happened to me that Strict FP broke some website, in particular those displaying a frame with a map or similar stuff. So I’ve resorted to use “standard” FP myself.
Do you hate the Brave CEO for doing the same thing as the Mozilla CEO, but with even less restraint?
Or are you just whining in hopes that nobody will question whether you’re being a hypocrite
Yawn… I’m tired of this shit. You people are really ridiculous. I’m going to just block you. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance and your virtue signaling.
What an ironic thing to post
Technology and ethics and politics are not airgapped magically distinct things. Pretending that they are is a strategic political choice you are actively making.
Ok. I’m a bad person because I enjoy using a given browser. I get that.
Another one that goes on my ignore list. Bye.
If that’s what you feel is the case if you don’t separate politics from technology then that sounds like a personal problem to address.
This is a straw man argument; no one said you’re a bad person for using a certain browser.
This is what they are criticising you about. You could be using Edge or Chrome, it wouldn’t matter here, that wouldn’t make you a bad person. The point is that pretending there is no connection when there is clearly a huge relevance here is massive.
In the imagination of upvotes-hungry virtue-signaling people, of course.
Well, you’re wrong.
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What is beyond my understanding is why every fucking time someone posts some relevant TECHNICAL info or question about that browser there’s always someone else, which appears to be less smart than an amoeba, that feels the need to write the same exaggerate and OT bullshit about the CEO.
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Nah. I care. You dont speak for me. I cant tell if you’re a shill for Brave or a MAGAt or both.
Wow. The internet must be really rough for you if people don’t wear labels so you know who to hate before learning a damn thing about them!
Yeah, it’s terrible when an entire group of people are discriminated against for a label.
…
I’m not a shill for Brave. It has its fair share of technical issues but it’s the less worse browser for my use case (better than FF, anyway). Your (or mine) opinion on the CEO has nothing to do with the technical issue discussed in OP’s link.
And no, what MAGA are you talking about? I’m not even 'murican. Take your meds, dude.
It’s 2024 you should know this is a terrible thing to say to people.
As someone who is currently inside of mental hospital grounds , reminding people to take their meds isnt bad I’d say . /hj
On a serious side I feel like this isn’t that bad , as it is more general than using a specific issue as an insult
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I mean, you can grandstand all you want while you have no platforms to safely do it on. Pretty sure having working products for privacy is more important to activism than one guy being an asshole.
Yeah, so committed to privacy that he built it on chromium
frankly, I dont trust an aggressive homophobe with my privacy
🤔 look, I’m not defending bigotry….
But an aggressive homophobe seems like the type to be highly motivated to care deeply about working privacy tools these days
So who exactly do you trust?
Bigots are privacy experts. The proof is in the radioactive pudding.
So when brave pay you do they direct deposit or do you get a paper cheque?
😂😂😂 yes, because I made a joke I’m being paid by brave. You got me!
Question is, who’s paying you to get so butthurt over it?
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Don’t feed the troll
I’m…honestly surprised you can be on lemmy when you damn products over singular people. Just cause I know there’s people who have tried to dissuade others from lemmy over the developers. And in that case the people involved are even closer to the code than a CEO would be.
That’s the entire reason most of us are on Lemmy. Fuck spez.
I mean yeah, but Spez we know for a fact actually did something.
Lemmy is one of the least “owned by a single person” projects online.
If someone gets fired for being a piece of shit and then hired somewhere else it’s pretty fair to assume that company isn’t great. As they presumably knew that when they hired him and didn’t care.
It’s also the person running the company not some random employee.
Okay
But in this entire discussion we haven’t even tied him or his homophobia to the feature change this article is discussing.
Yeah that’s rarely the only trait someone has that I find objectionable. Homophobia tends to come in a cluster with other shithead opinions
So?
What I care about in this story is the technical issues.
Well technically the CEO would have an issue with you if you were gay
Lmao
Then you can not act on it and those of us who care about such things can. Does that bother you?
I mean it’s derailed the entire thread so pretty much nobody is talking about the removed feature anymore.
Are you seriously complaining about different comment threads within a post? That is literally how this works. Anybody who wants to talk about the feature is welcome to. You are not restricted to one thread at a time.
Be real, you just don’t like the critique of brave.
I mean, it’s more like I wanted to see more discussion about brave. It’s not even like it’s talking about things the CEO specifically did to the browser, it’s just talking about the CEO.
And yeah I’m complaining about different threads in a post, when 3 comments are about the browser and like 15 are about the CEO.
If you have something to say negative about brave from this feature, that’s cool, but I’m not seeing it.
“People want to talk about the things they care about when they should be talking about the things I care about!”
All moderators in a nutshell?
You are spending more time than anybody discussing this. The person wrote one short comment and here you are going back and forth still. If you want to talk about the removed feature then talk about the removed feature! Nobody stopping you my dude
If you’re a real person then you’re very unlikable and antisocial
If you’re a shill against Brave then you’re bad at your job. I’m going to check Brave out now because of your offensive and unlikable behavior
O…kay? I don’t really care lmao
Please don’t tell me you wear adidas (founded by a Nazi), or drive a Ford (made by an antisemite), or listen to Wagner, (a racist), or drive a Volkswagen, or play Minecraft, or use wix, or eat at Chick-fil-A, or…etc etc
I don’t. But “originally made by” and “currently being run by” are, in my opinion, two different things
Wait why are you on the privacy community when you don’t care about the parts that are specifically related to privacy?
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Uhhh…that’s not a meme, as the other guy said it’s virtue signalling. I don’t even know why you would fallback on it being a meme since people generally agreed with what you said.
If anything I think that makes you sound like an ass but that’s just me.
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For those oh so super valuable virtue signal points, as if most of the services and products they use weren’t created with slave labor and run by people who’ve done far worse
Pay no attention to the butthurt shills.