Recently discovered this. Molly supports link with existing device just like on signal desktop. It even has benefit of getting entire chat history unlike signal desktop. Just restore the signal backup file during setup and then click link with existing device. Then scan with you primary phone. Beauty of open source. Molly: https://molly.im/
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Every time I want to try molly the version is too far behind to restore backup of signal. Currently my signal is at 6.37.2 and latest Molly is at 6.35.3
Only if simplex-chat had better UI…
Molly now merged the long-awaited UnifiedPush feature that Signal refuses. This means the notifications go thru my server instead of Google’s.
That said, I hate the entire concept of only allowing one Android device but also requiring an Android device with a SIM or you get no service. iOS is also supported but feeds into that duopoly, requirements to have a phone, & the freedom use whatever devices you want how you want.
I would prefer XMPP, but I have too many folks that refuse to move from Signal despite the conspiracies.
Yea, the mobile device requirement is so pointless and annoying! I have to use Signal with only a couple of people and had to use signal-cli, which is pretty annoying because it doesn’t display history. Now I have it on Waydroid, but you should NOT have to do that.
My too many folks are on Facebook messenger, Whatsapp, and telegram. ‘and’ not ‘or’…
I’m in the same boat. To be frank, if I didn’t have to use WhatsApp to talk to those in my family that remain in my motherland, I would be more than happy to get a simple dunbphone.
I got a chunk of friends & family to Signal a couple years back. Now I have some regrets due to the architectural decisions of the Signal ecosystem (and that battery drain + Electron app being huge). I wish I had had resources for an XMPP server as even a lazy person could run Snikket, but now they don’t want to remigrate after on a few years.
I’ve been doing this and like it but, it’s been crashing a lot in the background and draining battery
Why is it not actually in F-droid? They want me to install a private repo? Has it been audited or is this a shill?
F-Droid doesn’t want to host Molly because Signal doesn’t want any forks on F-Droid. Seriously, that’s the whole reason. Molly devs would be fine with it.
Molly is actually reproducible and has a fully FOSS version, so it is trustworthy.
Is that because Signal has trackers in it and F-Droid would remove them?
Wait, Signal dev forced f-droid admins not to upload Molly to its official repo? How?
No. The F-Droid team just doesn’t want beef with the Signal guys.
That’s a good question, It really should be in the main repository.
Instructions unclear, am now rolling face and signal needs a phone number.
Is there any real security-minimizing reason why it’s not wanted by the official app to have multiple mobile devices linked to one Signal account? (I’m not even talking about a second phone with another SIM card, I just wanna use it on my tablet).
I would appreciate a simple/ELI5 style explanation if there is one, I don’t work in IT.
No, there’s no security benefit to this.
One goal of the signal foundation, has been making end-to-end encryption accessible for normal people. Keeping things simple one phone number per account is one method they used to do this. It does diminish an anonymity, it’s using phone numbers as a form of global ID. Which isn’t great.
So people could argue, that well having multiple signal accounts on the same device aren’t against the philosophy, they’re not going to spend any engineering effort making it happen.
I’m using molly for several months now it is really nice but recently I dive myself in XMPP and it is superior to molly/signal just because XMPP servers are auditable amd you can actually see if the server is using encryption or not while signal servers are closed source unfortunately, it’s their only flaw
The Signal servers don’t do the encryption, it’s done on your phone. That’s how end-to-end encryption works. Also, Signal’s Server code is FOSS: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server
Your client encrypts and decrypts everything, so it is actually not a privacy concern regarding message content when we don’t know what the server does.
The server could decrypt or could be machines attached to the server that store data
Your private key stays at the client, the server doesn’t get it. Verifiable by the source code of your client
Ook thanks
The signal source code is open source, it is hard to prove that the servers are running the source code that’s published, and we know they have admitted to having source code they don’t publish for anti-spam purposes.
But you could take the signal server source code and stand up your own signal servers today.
The Signal protocol is built in a way where you don’t have to trust the server. The servers could be run by the NSA, it wouldn’t matter. Especially now that the Signal protocol uses post-quantum cryptography.
impossible*
And how do I tell may client to use only a specific server?
If your going to run a independent signal server cluster, you will also need to modify the client applications to connect to your cluster.
You probably would find the molly developers happy to accept a push request to have some configurable backend selection.
Session demonstrates this is possible.
If yo run your signal server does it come with the new quantum E2EE?
AFAIK it’s entirely done in the client. The server doesn’t perform any encryption/decryption other than TLS.
Good question, check with the signal github
I don’t know man, seems to me XMPP is more secure (unless you trust Signal) and simple to use because you have to jump less hoops
By all means, go with the platform you like better!
https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication/
Are all perfectly acceptable options
Does Molly require a phone number?
Molly is a different client for signal so yes it will require it because signal does
Yep
Molly should integrate Monero, the way signal has integrated their shitty Monero fork. Then I can finally buy molly on molly on Molly.
https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vd-molly-payments-stage1.html
https://github.com/mollyim/mollyim-android/issues/99
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that’s great to hear, thank you for sharing. seems like it is at least in semi-active development
Instructions unclear, now comfortable with pissing myself.
Well I guess I don’t have any more excuses not to use Signel.
Element as a client with a Matrix server bridged to Signal works great, too. Centralizes your history on your own secure server, too.
More complex, though.
Also worth noting that communication between signal and matrix through most bridges requires the message to be decrypted and reencrypted, thereby breaking E2EE which kinda defeats the point.
Unless you’re running a bridge on a locked down home server on your own network, not sure it’s the most secure.
Very good point. For me its a private server and I run both the bridge and the matrix server inside the same docker network.
Oh nice! I just like to warn people because I saw bridges get popular with Beeper and people don’t always catch that security-for-ease compromise
I’m not trying rip on Beeper, by the way. I don’t use them and never have. They could be totally legitimate and good-faith actors, but the reencryption issue with bridges sets my tinfoil hat off!
Oh yea, I won’t use Beeper. Self-hosted for me!
This is the solution I’m considering. Does it make sense if you have no actual contacts on Matrix? Do you think it would work on localhost instead of remote server? My use case is to get a single conversation view that includes Signal and Telegram contacts, but I don’t need it on multiples devices, one desktop box is fine.
I use it unfederated. Its on my local network server, running in docker with bridges to Signal, IRC, and Discord, no Matrix contacts. Works great for me.
Useful, thanks. To be clear, you are using the official Matrix server Synapse as a Docker image, plus the Mautrix (sic) bridges also as Docker images?
Correct. It was not trivial to set up, since there is a lot of configuration to read through, but it wasn’t hard, either.
Oh, that Molly
Getcher tin ass over here, now. Please.
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Compared to the other molly…
Glad it wasn’t just me…
Secondary phone, or any other additional android device (let’s say a tablet).