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Can we get the back end added? Like ddg uses bing, so I want to find another one thats just as secure but doesn’t use bing
DuckDuckGo stores no IP addresses. https://duckduckgo.com/privacy
“We don’t save your IP address or any unique identifiers alongside your searches or visits to our websites. We also never log IP addresses or any unique identifiers to disk.”
Mixed in here are search engines and metasearch engines. Metasearch engines like DDG, Metager, and Searx are not actual search engines but rather sites that query other engines. I would rather see only actual search engines for comparison. I would like to see some non western (search engines based in non NATO aligned) countries included such as Yandex.
Data collection always happens. How does the engine know what to return if you did not send it a query(data)? Sometimes results are personalized/manipulated. Anonymity reduces impact of both.
I just love what has become of this thread:
Nice summary
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Interesting that you’re doing a search engine comparison, and not add google into that comparison. Also, there are no sources at all, so we can’t verify any of it, and I know that some of that data is incorrect. Sources would help us (the end user) determine whether our data is incorrect or yours is incorrect due to poor sources. Leaving out the sources, means this chart is actually rather pointless, because it can’t be verified (as correct or incorrect).
E: also, ignoring cloudflare with this statement and zero explanation, removes author credibility. Either explain exactly why “cloudflare so who cares lol” or don’t include that section at all.
This chart reminds me of this, which was actually quoted in a presentation as an actual quote…
It was made by an edgelord for edgelords.
The chart source is from here: https://digdeeper.club/articles/search.xhtml
Cloudflare makes you activate cookies and JavaScript, which serves to deanonymize you.
I couldn’t quite believe the Cloudflare thing, so I loaded up a new Firefox profile, disabled all cookies, and disabled JavaScript and accessed one of my websites that sits behind cloudflare and… It worked just fine.
Do you have more info on that? Is it only in certain cases?
I get denied enough it is noticeable when I’m on a VPN with Mull. Sometimes it let’s me do a captcha, sometimes its just a straight up block. Usually dropping my VPN fixes.
I believe it’s only when they have anti-ddos enabled or CF thinks you’re a bot, it makes you resolve a captcha (sometimes), and that requires cookies and JS.
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I’m wondering that, too.
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Disturbing for having their slogan as, “the search engine that doesn’t know anything about you”
I guess they meant, “doesn’t know anything about you… Yet”
They need to earn money somehow, and the deal with Microsoft is the least privacy-invasive option they found.
I suggest overall to use SearxNG, but Qwant isn’t bad.
No doubt. And I’m not faulting them for making the deal or for collecting the data in general. I am, however, faulting them for claiming they don’t know anything about you and then turn around and collect things about you.
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Are the Ecosia results up to date? They used to be great, but awhile ago they changed something and it’s been hot garbage since. I still use them because trees, but I usually search with Ecosia, don’t see what I want, and then have to use another search engine.
Do you have this in ods, csv or at least xlsx?
God, this is what I love about Lemmy: Someome posts a chart and immediately the question for raw data arises. And the order: First .ods, the free spreasheet format, then .csv with the mindset of “Fine, I’ll import the raw csv myself”, and as anlast resort the hated .xlsx proprietary format. Never change, and use .od_
There is something that is irrefutable that sadly google has the best algorithm and most crawled information. So it has by far the best results using it correctly with parameters. Sometimes I fall to use it but i take my precautions like in a separate container using Firefox Multi account containers and some other stuff
You need to go 5-7 pages down to get atleast one unique obscure result. Yandex is better than OG Google for this purpose.
Google used to be the ultimate engine 15 years ago. Now it’s the same 5 sites and 10 ads over and over.
It’s refutable, and also you can use Google’s results through a different search engine, like SearXNG
Source? How is possible that Startpage is listed as Censorship: Extreme?
Startpage is Google but proxied. And Google has extreme censorship.
DDG is not a search engine.
And Firefox is not a browser?
Edgy. DDG queries Bing and Yahoo mostly. All they do is anonymize the query before it’s sent to keep your searches private.
Show me the DDG search engine.
(Wikipedia)
Hence, not a search engine. Fucking downvoting clowns.
Hang on, I’m really trying to understand.
According to Wikpedia,
DDG operates a crawler just like that which is a characteristic of a search engine.
A search engine is defined by Webster as
Which is what DDG is and does. How is DDG not a search engine?
DDG talks to all the search engines. It uses tons of them. Everyone except Google it looks like.
Before sending the query on your behalf, they simply anonymize it. Then return the results. DDG doesn’t actually perform a single search. So how can it be a search engine??
I know this is splitting hairs but I don’t get what many of you are struggling with. DDG just talks to existing engines on your behalf.
It does that, too, yes. But as I mentioned above it in fact does have its own web crawler and search algorithm, just like other search engines. It combines the results which makes DDG technically a true search engine, even though it improves its results by utilizing other search enignes, too. Shall we agree to this?
That would mean pretty much none of the search engines on this list are search engines
On one hand, you’ve provided sourced information with supporting details, and I’ve also successfully used DDG as a search engine.
On the other hand, ultratiem on Lemmy says it’s not a search engine, so I don’t know who to believe…
Why isn’t it?
It uses Bing and Yahoo. All it does is anonymize the query before it’s sent to them.
Bing is a search engine. Yahoo is a search engine. Google Search is a search engine. DDG is just a broker in all this.
There’s literally a column on the chart for that.
True, though this is a little out of date, DDG has built much of their own cache now. Bing is still their failover, but they’ve gotten a lot more independent. That said, I don’t generally care for it’s derivative-of-bing results, and has had some privacy oopsies lately that steer me away.
The way MS is moving, I really don’t want to keep using DDG if they are integral. I couldn’t really find much on the deal they made but DDG has done things for them that make me uneasy.
There is an actual duck doing the searching for you.
IP over Duck Carriers, also known as the IPoDC protocol
Is cloudflare bad?
bad in the sense that its 1 (american) company that controls a hellala lot of the internet
And they MITM all traffic.
Why is Brave Search considered as heavily censored?
Because it doesn’t show the conspiracy theory enhancing the authors conspiracy anti-covid/anti-moon landing opinion :
Leaving out all other conspiracy theories, since I may agree with some of them, the claim that the moon landing was staged strikes me as mindblowing over everything else. You just need to look at the Moon wath a telescope to disprove it, no need to believe to any scientist.
Ahhh that’s reasonable. Thank you for the info!