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As long as local backups don’t go away this looks fine.
As long as it’s implicit right and is a reasonable price I 100% will be getting it. I am willing to pay someone else to securly hold my (e2ee) data.
Nice. I don’t think I need this but its good to have options
Cloud backups, for security!
If anyone is actually going to get that right in a mainstream product, it will probably be Signal.
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Good idea for monetization.
Completely fine with that, I agree
I don’t mind paying a fair price, for a service, so they should go for it. I use both Signal and Telegram, and I would pay for Telegram too, if the price was more fair…
Don’t use Telegram, let alone pay for it. So many red flags with Telegram.
Feel free to list them - with evidence and not just prejudice…?
There’s end-to-end encryption. It’s fine that you can chose what needs to be private, and what doesn’t need to be.
There could be several reasons as to why the servers are not OS. Why do you need that part to be OS? Seriously, why?
Oh, so your problem with Telegram is, that it had some issues in the past, just like EVERY other app in the beginning? Nice one. :-)
So, let’s summarize.
That is not what I said. Please take a deep breath, maybe go outside for a minute, and read my reply again.
First of all, you injected yourself in my debate with another person. You do it by answering for that person, which mean, you lie by default, since you don’t know that persons answers. Then you say there are no end-to-end encryption by default, but that depends on what you use it for. Calls are encrypted by default.
But nice to know that you really didn’t have any serious red flags. Now it would be nice to hear from the person I was originally debating with…
Ah sorry. I thought you were here on lemmy for an open discussion and polite, good-faith arguments, not just trolling and name-calling. My bad.
Woot?! (not op),
Its totally fine that you like telegram, but you can do that while acknowledging others preferences
So far, don’t you think that you really would know, if government was involved in any way that didn’t involve crime fighting? Do you prefer an app, where crime roam free? Is that your issue? That it doesn’t?
AFAIK it’s you and two others, who don’t acknowledge my preferences… So please consider following your own advice!
Price is fair but features aren’t worth it.
You contradict yourself. You can’t say that the price is fair, for something that doesn’t have the features that the price should cover.
All I am saying is that this price for premium would be fair for me if the features are valuable enough. Sometimes premiums are just too expensive even if they are good, so I boycott them.
I agree on that part. Greed is a bad thing, and I don’t support that either.
Like cloud backup on their server or a subscription just to export the files to store offline?
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Finally a good approach at raising money (other than donations)
All of my signal conversations have auto expiry
Do people really use their conversation logs for things? Are you often searching your conversational logs?
Outside of corporate compliance issues I can’t imagine the workflow for most people
Yes, and yes.
“I said this was happening 3 weeks ago. Here’s the literal text of me sending it to you and you saying ‘Okay thanks’ in reply.”
Shuts down an argument real quick.
I never set auto expiry and often search messages. Sometimes it’s because I want to find a specific fact or datum from two years ago; other times it’s just for a reminder of a memory. On occasion, if the history wasn’t there, people might remember something important differently.
Me and my wife and wife sends information, pictures , whatever. I often search my messages for stuff
I have never searched for a message ever.
You are right, I don’t really search my messages that much. Most important conversion is going by email for most people still.
Yes, and yes. But most of it’s because I’ve moved all communication over to it.
If I have anything that shouldn’t stick around it doesn’t stick around, If I need my grocery list from last month it’s there though.
That said, I really don’t have any interest in backups. It’s an ephemeral stream at best that is there when I need it. And there are parts of it disappear when they’re no longer needed.
The days where we presumed we could safely bitch about things to our friends over social media are clearly gone and privacy is of ultimate importance.
Pretend it’s 1984, and you won’t get yourself in trouble.
My grocery list is its own signal group chat with other members of the household
Same, We do more than groceries though, It’s kind of fun anybody that needs anything just pops it in there
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Most Whatsapp users (my parents) want to keep logs of everything, its become normalised.
History search is great when you have a lot of friends and poor memory.
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out of curiosity: what duration do you have?
My default is set to 1 week.
Enough for conversational context
Anyone knows about creating easily a signal account without smartphone ? Telegram does that and I have tremondous people that would use that instead of whatsapp/telegram and that don’t understand matrix or even Mattermost 😭
@rozlav don’t need a smartphone, but do need access to a telephone number. it’s an important anti spam measure. you never have to use or display it: can operate entirely with signal usernames instead
Telegram does that? how? you need a phone number, so essentially a smartphone too. or is it common in your community to use feature phones, so that the problem is no registration on PC?
No Telegram can do registration with just a simple text message + pc, no need of smartphones just simple dumb phone
Assuming you have a computer to get on here, you could use an Android emulator like BlueStacks.
But you need a simcard with this emulator to connect to signal, here I’m talking about getting a text message and then still have a signal account, or even better : only having an account but wirh email or norhing. I think it’s not possible to have signal work the way you describe.
A phone number that can receive SMS is required, but it doesn’t have to be associated with the device that’s running Signal last I checked.
So you can have signal desktop on pc and activate it from there with a phone that only receives SMS ? I have a few people to tell so they can try then because this is a huge step for non-smartphone users. If anyone have a source on this btw I would be happy to read it !
I never said anything to that effect. The ancestor comment discussed running Signal for Android inside an Android emulator for account creation, after which it could be linked to Signal desktop.
Someone could presumably fork Signal desktop to allow the scenario you’re describing, but I’m not aware of any such efforts.
Telegram too requires that you verify your phone number, right? So I took that as a given.
Signal backups are an issue. They keep growing. I need to look into a solution sooner or later that isn’t just buying a phone with more space. I’d like to find ways to reduce the size and keep managing the backups myself, but that’s gonna take time. If they offer a secure, private, and affordable service, I’d prolly just redirect my donations to that.
It would be nice if the backups were split into time-indexed files so I could move the old parts to cheap external hard drives and only keep recent backups on my expensive phone storage.
Agreed. Would be great if we could save old backups on a server and search it from a client, instead of the current option of keeping everything in one local backup. The latter is a real problem after a while if you have contacts that like sending videos.
I imagine search of server backups would be pretty hard to do securely. Better management of locally stored media would be nice, but you can sort by size, export, and delete media from inside the settings.
I was actually unaware of those features and thinking of an over engineered solution. Good lookin out!
honestly thats why I don’t like signal and simplex for people who send lots of images. something server-based is much more suitable for them, like Matrix. that is, if their apps were more stable. there’s also the security about metadata, but for most people that’s probably not a huge concern
Glad to see they are establishing useful streams of revenue
I, however, will continue using Molly in combination with Syncthing
If this feature rolls out but you can’t pay for it. You can always use Molly (fork of signal). If you can support the project than do it. But if you can’t than don’t force your self
Switching to Molly won’t necessarily give you free cloud backups. Someone will still need to pay for the storage costs.
I was saying local backup
Ah, misunderstood your post. I think regular Signal still supports local backup. Doubt they’ll remove it when they add this.
Maybe lets see what happens
If it’s 1 euro a month, I’ll do it
Excellent news honestly. Trying to get people to switch to something encrypted and the one thing I’ve thought of is that I want to know it can continue indefinitely. Everything else in life costs money- we just never think of it computer wise because we pay with our data and privacy.
This can join threema with a solid revenue stream. I back mine up locally but would pay for this anyhow.