1. it’s not true. Default calls are encrypted.
2. I have not said anything about what I want for Telegram. Are you trying to make a straw man here? Not that you want to interject yourself into this debate - then tell me, what is the big problem with the serverside not being OS? I did write it would be optimal, but what is the big issue for you? Try to answer without making another straw man about something I didn’t say… ;-)
3. I don’t care about your trust issues. Go deal with them…

So far, don’t you think that you really would know, if government was involved in any way that didn’t involve crime fighting? Do you prefer an app, where crime roam free? Is that your issue? That it doesn’t?

AFAIK it’s you and two others, who don’t acknowledge my preferences… So please consider following your own advice!

First of all, you injected yourself in my debate with another person. You do it by answering for that person, which mean, you lie by default, since you don’t know that persons answers. Then you say there are no end-to-end encryption by default, but that depends on what you use it for. Calls are encrypted by default.

But nice to know that you really didn’t have any serious red flags. Now it would be nice to hear from the person I was originally debating with…

There’s end-to-end encryption. It’s fine that you can chose what needs to be private, and what doesn’t need to be.

There could be several reasons as to why the servers are not OS. Why do you need that part to be OS? Seriously, why?

Oh, so your problem with Telegram is, that it had some issues in the past, just like EVERY other app in the beginning? Nice one. :-)

So, let’s summarize.

1. You lie, and say that there’s no end-to-end encryption when there is.
2. It would be preferable to have OS servers, but it’s not a major issue, since everything else is.
3. You have an issue with something in “Back to the Future”… Which is no longer an issue.

You contradict yourself. You can’t say that the price is fair, for something that doesn’t have the features that the price should cover.

Feel free to list them - with evidence and not just prejudice…?

I don’t mind paying a fair price, for a service, so they should go for it. I use both Signal and Telegram, and I would pay for Telegram too, if the price was more fair…

Everything is insecure for the user. Google, Apple, Windows, knowingly includes apps with features that is ignoring your privacy. So “insecure” is a wide topic, we’ve accepted to debate only in certain narrow areas. F-Droid makes people a little more aware.

Don’t use them.

Well, it’s not that difficult to cancel a subscription…

Leave it to rot - if you have left, then don’t go back to that cesspool…

I use 3 browsers on my android devices. All 3 on all of them. That’s Firefox as the primary, and then Firefox Focus, and Firefox Nightly.

In the primary Firefox browser, I use uBlock Origin.

I have no lag - so why you talk about “all foxes” here, I don’t really know. Maybe you do know that Google, Like MS, Apple and others, always try to make it harder to use anything else, than their solution?

There is, even though they are estimates. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2347683-online-adverts-estimated-to-use-as-much-energy-as-a-small-country/

Come on, ban ALL data collection for ads. This will be good for privacy, and for the environment. The internet will save enormous amounts on power and hardware.

I think it’s important to remember de difference between being private and being anonymous. Signal IS private. It’s not anonymous. The same is true for many other apps/services.

Personally I like to be private. I don’t really need to be anonymous.