The Spanish government has a plan to prevent kids from watching porn online: Meet the porn passport.
Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18. Porn-viewers will be asked to use the app to verify their age. Once verified, they’ll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content. Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits.
You have to request more porn credits from the government if you need more? Don’t want the government to be tracking this data of you. This is a privacy issue
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It’s always porn, isn’t it? We don’t need to protect children from misinformation, fascism, violence, racism, discrimination or exploitation on the internet, it’s always just porn for some reason…
Yes, porn and not giving away all of their data to keep them safe
Government giving you porn credits sounds hilarious.
@Salix
Lets see how this pans out and how well it works ( or does not work )
What we perhaps need to do is start building respect for each other,
I haven’t read enough to know if this is a good thing or not.
But goddamn, I would hate having a 12 year old right now knowing how much terrible, awful shit is out there these days.
I mean there’s a ton of accounts like Andrew Tate that are aimed at getting these kids on a terrible thought path while they’re still kids.
I would hate to have my theoretical child reading all of the terrible bullshit that’s out there with no filter.
I’m so much more worried about my future kids’ access to toxic alpha male shit and fascist propaganda than I am about porn.
Wait…I want to be “Secretario de Pornabilidad Social” or “Secretary or Social Probability”
I imagine my self going through all the SSN… Sexual Super Numbers to manage access and report usage.
1335346755 watched 6 hours per day of mostly vanilla doggy.
2356544677 more doggie
More doggie… doggie again. But every now and then… 1257678965534 watched 72 consecutive hours of BDSM where the sub faces downward into a hole in the floor where a camera…then the last does the same and the video cuts to another similar one. We must report this immediately to the right authority!
Just image asking someone for a corn passport
Porn is everywhere. It’s an endless battle.
The internet should simply be 18+ only at this point.
So school shut be 18+ as well then? The best teacher is the Internet for just about anything. If it is info about how to garden or how to setup networking gear. The internet has it.
I strongly disagree. The porn is a huge issue, but there are a lot of actually useful websites where kids and teens can learn about their interests. Gatekeeping all that knowledge would make young people significantly less knowledgeable
Unironically: child safe websites should be under a separate DNS provider from your ISP, provided via a separate ISP router or modem. Setup a separate national level routing.
Seriously. Kids get curated internet only, adults get the firehose.
The idea of porn credits and voluntarily giving the government a list of everything you look at is utter insanity.
While I also like the idea of a separate second “internet” I feel like this is just another ID check requirement. It would still be better than a porn token wallet I guess. Either there would be an identity tied to all traffic from an access point(still a privacy problem) , or the access points themselves would have to be like, kept away from children or something somehow. Parental locks?
Make the children internet token based for kids, use a yubikey or something (no password to learn), and leave the regular internet as is. Make ISPs provide families with kids access to both, either via subnet or dedicated hardware.
From there just have policy to not give the unrestricted network access to kids. Aka parenting. Public institutions like libraries can have most open terminals on the “safenet” and limited public access to the unfiltered net.
For a “poor man’s version” of this concept, you could do a pi-hole sub-network for home use, but the internet elsewhere is still the internet.
That’s one possible idea anyways, and a damn sight better than porn credits.
LMAO, there’s a thing called a Firewall right, PiHole, get one, set it up at home, link the mobile devices through it for proxy or DNS…. Boom, your kids now can’t use the internet for porn or any other unscrupulous reason.
Yea, that’s what I was saying. But if you wanted a national level of this, having ISPs setup a “kid access” subnet that just runs on a separate Wifi SSID would make this idea easier for the non tech savvy.
There’s no way to enforce that outside of parental Intervention, which won’t happen.
National IDs, require an ID to connect, limit the hours for kids. Works in South Korea and China - sure it can be gotten around but that takes a certain amount of effort that isn’t worth it for the majority of the population.
No. Not only no, but fuck no.
Then enjoy all of the negative social outcomes of widespread internet addiction I guess.
Bro out here saying Mass surveillance is a good alternative to good parenting…
Either unrestricted access to the internet hurts children, or it doesn’t. If it hurts children, then we have a societal responsibility to protect them from it. “Good parenting” wouldn’t be able to protect kids from lead in the paint, so why would we expect it to protect them from other widespread harmful contagions?
let’s track everyone on the net with their ID. who are you, a Chinese spy?
I didn’t say track, I said control access. I know my fellow Americans tend to bristle at the idea of doing anything for the common good, but I personally feel that the danger of unregulated media and internet access has been well demonstrated in the past hundred years, and that not regulating it in some capacity is just as negligent as not regulating firearm ownership or toxins in the food.
There’s always DVDs of this stuff… Doesn’t have to be online.
I imagine a kid who’s smart enough to use a vpn, downloading a bunch of videos, and then selling usb drives to their friends at school, or sharing them via gdrive
Idiots. I’m certain that absolutely no one wants this. What a shit show.
Shit show you say? That’s one token down
At least it will raise tech literacy among youth. If it isn’t as easy and would require some thinking that’s already better than 99% of homework.
Those kids will install a VPN faster than this bill goes through the Spanish parliament.
Even something as straightforward nowadays as VPN install can educate a person about cybersecurity as a side effect.
Thing is most stuff is simply too easy too acquire nowadays. No effort. No thought. Just endless stream of dopamine that is too addicting to even bother inquiring about how the very thing you are using works.
The victory of convenience will defeat us. There has to be some effort needed to acquire things otherwise they lose any value.
Only applies to sites who are based in Spain, at least the porn bans in the US went somewhat scorched earth, this limp dicked attempt doesn’t even do that.
It’s easier to just use a VPN and pretend to be from anywhere else…
It will be fun for one unashamed porn addicted user to keep making so many requests to this service that they break it.
“Javier, it’s been 30 minutes since your last credit application.”
“MORE CREDITS. CAN’T TALK.”
So teens learn about Tor & VPNs. This stuff doesn’t work. The higher you put the skills to get access, the more they will learn. Nothing motivates teens more than access to adult stuff. Maybe this is really a tech literacy policy.
Learning to circumvent my parent’s fumbling attempts to keep me off of early nineties bulletin board porn made me the man I am today.
Much easier just to go to sketchy websites than learn how to hide your traffic
Or, just as likely, go to the sketchy VPNs from the first Play Store results.
Yup, all you’re doing is teaching them to cover their tracks
A generation of privacy savvy citizens doesn’t sound bad.
Hola señores, necesito más créditos de la pornografía porque sus madres tienen tetas grandes.
Vergas son mejores; te lo doy si te comportas. Lol
Mi chiste favorito de la escuela…Cuando esta lloviendo, a ti te gusta ver gotitas? O ver gototas?
A mi me encantan las ver gototas.
Senior governor, necesitamos assistancia pornografica. Mas creditos por favor! Esas chiches no se pagan solas!
Tinfoil hat time! Also written thinking more about the US, where this sort of thing is also a growing topic.
Perhaps this government anti-porn law stuff is backed by people who actually want to dismantle government altogether. And not in a fun Communist way but in a privatize everything, corporate serfdom way.
By pushing for the government to do stupid and unpopular things, they can get people mad at the very concept of government. They can then use that to dismantle things like nationalized health care, fire departments, whatever.