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skiff.comIt was fun while it lasted. The recent addition of PGP support was very welcome, and I thought that such support might have been a sign that they were in it for the long-term with the email product, but I thought wrong.
Dear Skiff Community,
We are excited to share that Skiff is joining Notion.
Skiff’s mission is to bring freedom to the internet by helping people collaborate and communicate with freedom and privacy. We see a deep alignment with Notion’s vision to build a connected workspace and enable everyone to build tools that reflect their values.
We’re extremely excited to accelerate our mission by joining forces with Notion’s world-class team. We sincerely hope that the Skiff community will join us for this next stage of our journey. We’re pursuing big plans for making all of our online lives freer and more empowered, and these plans will carry forward directly the ambitions we’ve strived for alongside the Skiff community.
As we begin to shift focus to our shared efforts with Notion, we will be closing down Skiff’s product suite after a 6-month sunset period We are deeply appreciative of the trust users have extended to us, and we are committed to honoring that trust by ensuring that all data on Skiff is easily exportable. For the next 6 months, Skiff services will continue to operate without disruption, and users can freely duplicate, migrate, or export data. You can now also set up a forwarding address to redirect mail to any other provider.
Our commitment to privacy and security is unchanged. All user data remains end-to-end encrypted, and Skiff products will never monetize your data. Accounts and data on Skiff will not be converted into Notion accounts.
We encourage you to export your data and migrate custom domains within the next 6 months. We’ve prepared this guide to make that process as easy as possible. For any other questions, our support team is readily available via the in-app “Send feedback” option or at support@skiff.org.
The Skiff community has lifted, inspired, and energized us at every step. We are humbled by your support and we apologize for any disappointment or inconvenience this change may cause you. We remain as committed as ever to bringing about the vision for a better internet that brought us together. Thank you for being part of the Skiff family, and we look forward to continuing to serve you with our future efforts.
Sincerely, Skiff Team
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I like to make a conscious effort to move from GMail and Outlook (even though i have a rare @live account with just my first name as the handle) but I also don’t want to move away from ThunderBird and FairMail. Skiffs client sucked and Tutanota client sucks less, but it came no where near to thunderbird. I get why they do it, but even then, full PGP auto email was only supported between two tutanota users
I always thought skiff was sus. I think there was a youtube sponsor video with them or something. Immediately smelled fishy.
What’s so bad about it? Is Notion a less trusted company?
MAKE PRODUCT AT LOSS
GET CAPITOL TO MAKE PRODUCT LOOK BIGGER
SELL PRODUCT FOR MORE THAN SPENT
FIRE EVERYONE TO “MAKE SUSTAINABLE” (LIE)
LEAVE WITH GOLDEN PARACHUTE
REPEAT TILL YOU CAN BUY ENOUGH PROPERTIES TO RAISE SHITHEAD KID WHO WILL RUIN YOUR FORTUNE
Lessons to learn:
STOP SHILLING EVERY NEW PRIVACY SERVICE PROVIDER
STOP FALLING FOR PRIVACY/SECURITY SNAKE OIL MARKETING
STOP HYPING STUFF TO CREATE ARTIFICIAL ACTIVITY IN PRIVACY COMMUNITY
Always felt shifty with their marketing attempts “hey, this looks really cool. It has this extensive list of features. I’ve not tried it, what do you think?”.
Feels I was right to be skeptical. Email is sensitive information and not something you can quickly jump to new shiny thing in town. Proton mail is king for me, but at least Tuta been around a while.
I might just be dumb… But does this mean that in 6 months I just don’t have an email there anymore? I didn’t see any kind of messaging about transitioning services, just like, ‘grab what you can and GTFO.’
Yes, sounds like it. I can imagine that they have decided for this path, instead of a server migration Skiff->Notion, to make sure that previous non paying Skiff users do pay at Notion if they choose for Notion.
I was using their quick aliases all the time to get free Adobe trials. Is there any alternative? Gmail’s “+” aliases are detected as aliases, Skiff was unpopular enough that they hadn’t blacklisted them.
addy.io is another alternative
Buy your own domain and set it up to forward all email to a single address. Then anything@your.domain is like an alias.
Fastmail supports aliases as well. I’m not sure how they are from a privacy side overall tho
Proton supports quick aliases as well.
Do they have unlimited quick aliases?
Yes, referring to the ‘+’ aliases.
Oh, those are less handy because they still give away your email address
Agreed, they provide 10 masked aliases for free and it’s $2/mo for unlimited via Proton Pass.
Yeah, skiff was nice because you got pretty much unlimited quick aliases for free. No need to pre-register them. Basically, you could make one for every company you make an account with:
Ex. somecompany@mysubdomain.maskmy.id
Makes it easy to shut down anyone that doesn’t let you unsubscribe (ie. politicians).
Wasn’t Skiff also limited to 10 alises though on the free tier?
Proton Pass is the same, it’s instant. You just need to pay to get an unlimited amount of them. Great feature, integrates nicely with register forms as well.
Ran it through the corpo parseltongue translator.
Where to get that ? XD
ChatGPT Store.
you can use the exact same image for an accurate translation of most corpo bs
If the data is encrypted client-side, why does this matter?
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The enshitfication is real
They never cared for privacy, it was all marketing. We should be equally suspicious of Proton and Tutanota.
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It’s probably about as likely that other email service providers will shut down (or at least make the service they provide worse) unexpectedly.
A more sustainable solution would be to make it easier to self-host similar services and giving your contacts more help with transitioning to more privacy-respecting solutions.
I’m personally not very worried about proton.me or tuta.com shutting down without giving me much time to replace them, but it’s a possibility I keep in mind as it would be inconvenient if that happened, and I can do a little bit to make it less inconvenient if it does happen (e.g. by registering alternate email addresses with any person or company who wants to talk to me).
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I second that question
Our Incredible Journey.
Oh come on, I was just about to move my calendar there from outlook
Anyone know of another privacy friendly calendar that has a nice and lightweight desktop app?
At this point, to remain anonymous online, you may as well not even get online anymore.
Haven’t used it yet, but Proton has a beta desktop app that might be what you’re looking for.
Just checked their gh, it’s an electron app :(
While it is an electron app, it’s a pretty decent one. Because it’s not full of tracking and other crap it’s pretty responsive.
Their web and mobile apps are pretty good. Its definitely not as polished as gsuite or office, but it’s still good and you are the customer not the product.
Mailbox.org
I don’t see any desktop app on their site
Ah my bad, it doesn’t have that itself, however: there is Thunderbird 🐦
I’m assuming that would requiring using caldav or whatever, thus no more encryption
I tried it. It is basically the webpage but in app form. I couldn’t even find any app specific settings or anything. Nevertheless, it works as expected, I haven’t had any bugs pop up. The calendar part is on the right side in a column that you can expand and minimize.
Sad. I switched from Tuta kinda recently because Tuta’s UI was just bad and no PGP support. Looks like I’m going to start using the paid Proton plan.