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Mozilla is loosing battle over the internet with multi billion dollar corporations that control most of it. Quick, let’s hate on it!
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I’m sure that video titled “How Mozilla ruined Firefox” ends with “Mozilla is a good company and we all should be grateful for their hard work and use their products”.
Why not actually write the bits that you think people are missing? Just saying “watch to the end” over and over is obnoxious. People’s time and attention is valuable, you should learn to respect that if you want more positive responses.
I feel like we need a popular fork to ship by default on Linux distros, and other stuff. And this fork need a heavy skin. We need to make it better in every single way.
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I think people may just be hyper-sensitive because of that article about Mozilla foundation’s finances that came out a few weeks ago (which the maker of the video clearly cribbed from at one point).
FWIW, I think the article raised some pretty valid points, and I didn’t agree with all the hate that it got, so I’ve got no issue with including the points in the video. If I were to provide some constructive criticism for the video, I would say it should dive into more of the factual basis behind a lot of these things, providing some analysis, as opposed to just touching on twenty different subjects throwing a little drop of shade at Firefox for each one and then moving on to the next one right away.
Edit: Also, trying to set rules for other people’s behavior, that they’re not permitted by you to comment or downvote until they’ve watched the whole video, is a little clickbait-y and mostly likely to just irritate people, no matter how valid or invalid is the “requirement” that you’re trying to get them to follow.
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A lot of video platforms judge the quality of a video and promote it or not according to how long people watch, so if people obey things like “Watch until the end,” it has the effect of rigging the metrics so that it’ll get spread more widely (as compared with a video that people click away from whenever they personally feel they’ve seen enough.) That’s why that type of statement is clickbait-y; I’m not saying that was your intent in saying it, just that that’s the impact it has and why some people react negatively to it.
What are these important things he said at the end? Why are you resisting just laying out the high-level theses of the video in a manner that people can digest in a minute or two? This whole approach of coming out of the gate ordering people to devote 15 minutes of their time watching a video, whether they decide based on watching a little bit that they want to finish it or not, is just being commanding to people and incredibly disrespectful of their time. I think that’s probably the main reason you’re getting a negative reaction.
I’ll put it this way: I generally agreed with a wildly
popular(edit: unpopular) “anti-Mozilla” post if you want to call it that, I devoted enough time to watch the majority of this video before I decided I’d had enough, I devoted enough time to neutrally summarize some of its points to people and I agree with the validity of some of them. Personally I prefer Chrome over Librewolf. As not at all a “Firefox fan,” there were also definitely elements of this video that moderately pissed me off. Mainly I’m trying to relate to you why I think this post is getting a negative reaction. I can’t make you want to hear that if you’ve already decided to yourself what’s what, but that was my feeling if you’re open to hearing it.deleted by creator
So:
Sounds like a recipe for a lot of frustrating interactions to me.
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Yep, and I just wanted to share with you how you might be able to successfully share this with others, instead of just getting downvotes and resistance. But you’re clearly not interested right now. Good luck.
Most people don’t appreciate link posts without summaries of the content. I’m one of these people. I don’t like clicking links unless I know at least an idea of what’s on the other side of the link. Is it worth my time? Is it worth my attention? Providing summaries of linked content gives a start to the conversation and keeps us from turning this forum into a clickbait-filled platform.
^^^^^ 100%
Seems to be a common thing, look in the Foss, Linux communities people post links to stuff and not even a few lines of a basic description. If people want engagement give us some information …
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Can someone sum up the video… Some bot maybe.
Partial summary:
It’s not an uninformative video, but it’s also very high-level and with a heavy opinion to fact ratio, I think. I started taking mental notes partway through about some things I had issue with factually, but I’ll admit I sort of stopped caring most of the way through.
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Dude… I stepped in to what you should have done, i.e. just summarize the content of the video, because that’s the way to make a reasonable post on a platform where you’re not the boss and can’t just order people to watch whether they want to or not. Are you this rude to people in real life?
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I don’t know anything about you as a person and it’s hard to judge anything from text. But the way you’ve approached this comment thread comes across as mad rude, yes. And I think that’s why you’re getting such a negative reaction (more so than anything to do with Firefox).
If you were at a party or in some group chatting, and you had a point to make but said people weren’t allowed to talk to you on the topic until they’d completely watched a 15-minute video, and people mostly said they didn’t want to do that, but some person did go off and watch around 10 minutes of the video and came back and started trying to explain to everyone some of what was in it, and you just turned to him and said, “You miss some important points,” and then turned away without saying anything else — taken as a whole that’d be pretty rude, right? Or do you not think so?
Good explaination. I think we assume people understand social contexts but some people dont… and they mean no harm, but they just dont think the same way. Then its really good to show how others may understand the situation.
Well, then it’s great that you decided to add these missing points in your comment!
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Too busy watching the video I assume
Thanks for doing it. Im tired of wasting time watching videos like this when text is superior. And I have a feeling you will become like me soon. :)
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RE text: Agreed. I have started a humble campaign (read "one man army 😁) to try to address this insane trend. Joining forces is sincerely apperciated!
https://www.summarize.tech/www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugnOM2mzgNU
This time I’m saving this link. Thanks brother or sister :)
Ha. I haven’t tested it it out for accuracy. It might be complete BS.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=ugnOM2mzgNU
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
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Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=ugnOM2mzgNU
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
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