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FYI this does not include spreadsheets, so if you’re hoping to replace an office suite, it’s not there yet.
For every proton post, can we please get a bot that auto posts these, to save everyone the effort:
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You forgot proton is glowing / no they’re not
also SaaS is cancerous shit
No one forces you to use it
Not for 99% of the population…
Looks like its based on Standard Notes
https://github.com/standardnotes
It probably IS standard notes, given that Proton acquired them.
That’d make sense, given that they recently joined forces
Source? This looks like a note-taking app, not a google docs replacement.
Very cool but Proton Drive for Linux when?
I feel like their goal is more close to providing a privacy-minded alternative to Google’s G-suite to “regular” users, so for me it totally makes sense. But yeah, I’m also really waiting for the Linux drive app.
They don’t care.
I don’t think they don’t care, they have been adding Linux versions for all of their apps (except drive of course). The CEO themselves said in an interview that a Linux client for drive is inevitable and they will make one, but one of the hardest clients to develop.
The guy who made the Backblaze software said it was already done and was easy for their standard client to work with Linux but never got rolled out because Linux users are power users. I wonder if that is the real reason when it comes to Proton. It’s not unlimited but maybe there is some power user use that they anticipate and don’t want to deal with.
That might be it. Whatever the reason, it seems like a missed opportunity. Especially when they go out of their way to provide direct APKs to Android users who do not use Play Store.
They already had to make the APK for the Play Store, providing it directly doesn’t require extra dev work.
They stopped doing that unfortunately, I think. I struggled to find all 6 apps
They might have done their stats and figured out that only 0.0000001% of their users would benefit from it and there weren’t much profit there to make.
Use that linux mail web app… maybe they will change their minds.
Linux crowd is hard to appease tho
Hopefully one day when we finally hit the year of Linux Desktop this changes.
Currently, gamers are on boarding. I think once critical mass joins with their buying power, things should change.
Yeah me too, but for that to happen you need to get: Adobe CC, MS Office, Autodesk and a few others the masses use as native desktop apps. The Linux Desktop year will not come until those exist… and until GNOME fixes their shit and stop thinking their users are stupid and desktop icons are useless.
GNUMPY (GIMP), Kdenlive, Audacity
Libre Office
BricsCAD, FreeCAD, etc. ->https://alternativeto.net, https://www.bricsys.com/
Also Autodesk might work on Linux since .NET was recently integrated to major distros, though I’m merely thinking .NET = .NET for AutoCAD which might not be true, or is not the whole picture1,2,3.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/.NET
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/autocad-forum/autocad-on-linux/td-p/7927396 (AutoCAD requires .NET frameworks)
Those are alternatives not the 100% compatible solutions that professionals who spend 8h/day in front of those tools need.
One of the reasons for me not to switch, is because there is no Linux client.
If they had a contacts app for Android and a proton drive Linux client I would be 1,000% on board. I would switch basically everything over and be more than happy to pay for it. Useless to me otherwise
They need Linux developers to help.
Where’s the source code? Seriously, the only thing I can find for drive & calander are repos that were archived in 2021
https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/tree/main/applications
They use monorepo for the web clients, at least.
Here the mobile apps:
https://github.com/ProtonDriveApps
I started working on one but don’t have much time.
The interesting repos:
Unfortunately they don’t publish any api docs.
It doesn’t make financial sense to spend money on supporting an entire new platform that’s used by <3% of the population.
I’m gonna try to see if you can use a windows vm with proton drive and a shared folder with the host system. Kinda a pain, but if it works it works. What I’d really love is an api for this kind of asshattery
Rclone now works:
https://rclone.org/protondrive/
Doesn’t rclone work?
Spreadsheets are life. I think in spreadsheets. I hope it comes soon.
Have you tried a low-code database, such as nocodb? I tried satisfy my need for structures data that way and it works for simple usecases. There are formulas too, but they (like spreadsheets) require some knowledge to set up.
I need an android app
You sort of have one but not really. You can launch it from the Android Proton Drive app. Granted it then launches it into a web browser, but GrapheneOS/Vanadium seems to handle it well. Would also prefer an app, or allow me to use Standard Notes as the client and sync with my Proton account.
I can’t seem to find the option in the proton drive app.
Ah you are right - I had created the Proton Doc on the web and launched it after from Android after. I did not actually create the file in Android. Just checked and the option is not there for me either. Maybe next update? Still would prefer the ability to use Standard Notes as the client, similar to how I can with SimpleLogin today.
I’m still figuring out proton. I’m trying to switch most of my account over to proton. You use the simple login app? Doesn’t proton pass have that ability as well?
Yes - you can use your Proton account to log directly into Simplelogin via web, browser extension, or Android app. I suspect the Proton Pass feature is related to their partnership with Simplelogin but not sure? I actually just noticed the email generation Pass feature this week. Having that integrated into the password manager is really handy. May be time to start using it but migrating password managers is a pain.
So… where’s the source?
Maybe Cryptpad would be a good option if you need spreadsheets more than documents.
I am still waiting for contacts app😔
However, subscribing is aiding in their funding, and that could help get them there quicker.
Is it FOSS?
I imagine it is. Developing something like that in house would take a lot. Probably Collabora or something.
Looks like its based on Standard Notes
https://github.com/standardnotes
Nice.
This might just be the push to fully switch over from Google.
I would need spreadsheets and slideshow presentations as well.
Has anyone used it?
How did you get to it?
Clicked the link:
At that time, if you go to drive.proton.me(new window) and click on New in the top left, you will see the ability to create a New document
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What would be the benefits of this over Nextcloud, apart from not having to set it up?
Over nextcloud probably the e2ee. I suppose soon they will also integrate this better with email (like you can attach directly and save directly from email), so the seamless integrations with the rest of the products will probably amount to other benefits over time.
I don’t think it’s Nextcloud competition so much as Google Drive competition, which is certainly closed-source.
Nextcloud doesn’t do end-to-end encryption
Lack of true open cooperation? Oh wait, you said benefit… Ease of use? Maybe? And slightly less buggy?
“After years of pushing their proprietary and closed solutions to privacy minded people Proton decided that it was in their best interest to further bury said users into their service as a form of vendor lock-in. To achieve this they made yet anoter non-standard groupware feature - a document editor.
Is there an open standard for encrypted asynchronous colabreative document creation and editing?
As open components, we have the OpenDocument standard + signal protocol for E2EE + CRDTs for conflict resolution. No idea whether they’re compatible though.
As a product, Collabora Online is open and collaborative.
Collabra seems close. They do use ODF. And you can host you’re own server.
But they don’t seem to use E2EE. And the collaborative aspect doesn’t apear to be an open standard you can use with different software packages.
E2EE would be nice, but what’s your idea of open standard for collaboration as opposed to simply open source?
If we had multiple software solutions implementing the same ways of collaborating what would be gained / in what ways would they differentiate and still remain compatible?
Our comments right here on the Fediverse, are a good example.
Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, and numerous others, all use the same open communication standard; Offering very different services and experiences.
Exactly. At this point idk why anyone bothers migrating to things that are not backed by open standards. The price of vendor lock-in always comes.
Until I can easily export the data, where is the vendor lock?
Vendor lock means that migrating away has significant cost or technical challenges.
Take this case: documents saved are first of all easily downloadable from drive (in bulk), and also exportable in markdown.
They change pricing/add features that I don’t want/sell off the company (hard now that it’s managed by a nonprofit but still) etc.? I make a nice bulk download and move everything in whatever other system I want. I can do the same for contacts, email (I use my own domains) and calendar. Basically, 1h + the time to download files and I am moved to another provider.
Can you elaborate in what you think the vendor lock looks like?
I want Proton to replace Google. I wish for that. And during this time we can use open source software as well