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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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FYI this does not include spreadsheets, so if you’re hoping to replace an office suite, it’s not there yet.
So… where’s the source?
For every proton post, can we please get a bot that auto posts these, to save everyone the effort:
Thanks!
You forgot proton is glowing / no they’re not
also SaaS is cancerous shit
No one forces you to use it
Not for 99% of the population…
wasn’t proton revealed to be bullshitting about privacy recently?
edit: swiss courts compelled protonmail to log IPs, keep fingerprints of browsers and disclose them to authorities. there is no privacy.
And they specifically logged and delivered data about freedom fighters and environmentalists, so there’s some bias on Proton’s hand there.
If I have to choose between a company that freely sells and uses all my data versus a company that e2e encrypts my data and only complies with police and intelligence agency if it is specifically mandated by a swiss judge (and are fighing against it[1]), my money is definitely on the later
Is it perfect? Probably not. - Does it match my thread model? Definitely yes!
Also their privacy policy [2] allows to make a pretty well informed decision and map it against your thread model
And by the way, here’s the statement of the ceo regading the activist: https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest
[1] https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/proton-wins-appeal-in-swiss-court-over-surveillance-laws/47052196 [2] https://proton.me/legal/privacy
Maybe Cryptpad would be a good option if you need spreadsheets more than documents.
Spreadsheets are life. I think in spreadsheets. I hope it comes soon.
Have you tried a low-code database, such as nocodb? I tried satisfy my need for structures data that way and it works for simple usecases. There are formulas too, but they (like spreadsheets) require some knowledge to set up.
I am still waiting for contacts app😔
However, subscribing is aiding in their funding, and that could help get them there quicker.
Looks like its based on Standard Notes
https://github.com/standardnotes
Source? This looks like a note-taking app, not a google docs replacement.
It probably IS standard notes, given that Proton acquired them.
That’d make sense, given that they recently joined forces
Is it FOSS?
I imagine it is. Developing something like that in house would take a lot. Probably Collabora or something.
Looks like its based on Standard Notes
https://github.com/standardnotes
I need an android app
You sort of have one but not really. You can launch it from the Android Proton Drive app. Granted it then launches it into a web browser, but GrapheneOS/Vanadium seems to handle it well. Would also prefer an app, or allow me to use Standard Notes as the client and sync with my Proton account.
I can’t seem to find the option in the proton drive app.
Ah you are right - I had created the Proton Doc on the web and launched it after from Android after. I did not actually create the file in Android. Just checked and the option is not there for me either. Maybe next update? Still would prefer the ability to use Standard Notes as the client, similar to how I can with SimpleLogin today.
I’m still figuring out proton. I’m trying to switch most of my account over to proton. You use the simple login app? Doesn’t proton pass have that ability as well?
Yes - you can use your Proton account to log directly into Simplelogin via web, browser extension, or Android app. I suspect the Proton Pass feature is related to their partnership with Simplelogin but not sure? I actually just noticed the email generation Pass feature this week. Having that integrated into the password manager is really handy. May be time to start using it but migrating password managers is a pain.
Nice.
This might just be the push to fully switch over from Google.
I would need spreadsheets and slideshow presentations as well.
Has anyone used it?
How did you get to it?
Clicked the link:
At that time, if you go to drive.proton.me(new window) and click on New in the top left, you will see the ability to create a New document
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What would be the benefits of this over Nextcloud, apart from not having to set it up?
Over nextcloud probably the e2ee. I suppose soon they will also integrate this better with email (like you can attach directly and save directly from email), so the seamless integrations with the rest of the products will probably amount to other benefits over time.
Lack of true open cooperation? Oh wait, you said benefit… Ease of use? Maybe? And slightly less buggy?
I don’t think it’s Nextcloud competition so much as Google Drive competition, which is certainly closed-source.
Nextcloud doesn’t do end-to-end encryption
Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wonder if anyone has made a fork of it that does.
I think it would be easier to start fresh. Almost everything in nextcloud would break if it couldn’t read your data
“After years of pushing their proprietary and closed solutions to privacy minded people Proton decided that it was in their best interest to further bury said users into their service as a form of vendor lock-in. To achieve this they made yet anoter non-standard groupware feature - a document editor.
Is there an open standard for encrypted asynchronous colabreative document creation and editing?
As open components, we have the OpenDocument standard + signal protocol for E2EE + CRDTs for conflict resolution. No idea whether they’re compatible though.
As a product, Collabora Online is open and collaborative.
Collabra seems close. They do use ODF. And you can host you’re own server.
But they don’t seem to use E2EE. And the collaborative aspect doesn’t apear to be an open standard you can use with different software packages.
E2EE would be nice, but what’s your idea of open standard for collaboration as opposed to simply open source?
If we had multiple software solutions implementing the same ways of collaborating what would be gained / in what ways would they differentiate and still remain compatible?
Our comments right here on the Fediverse, are a good example.
Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, and numerous others, all use the same open communication standard; Offering very different services and experiences.
Exactly. At this point idk why anyone bothers migrating to things that are not backed by open standards. The price of vendor lock-in always comes.
Until I can easily export the data, where is the vendor lock?
Vendor lock means that migrating away has significant cost or technical challenges.
Take this case: documents saved are first of all easily downloadable from drive (in bulk), and also exportable in markdown.
They change pricing/add features that I don’t want/sell off the company (hard now that it’s managed by a nonprofit but still) etc.? I make a nice bulk download and move everything in whatever other system I want. I can do the same for contacts, email (I use my own domains) and calendar. Basically, 1h + the time to download files and I am moved to another provider.
Can you elaborate in what you think the vendor lock looks like?
I want Proton to replace Google. I wish for that. And during this time we can use open source software as well