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I’ve not seen a true example of this in over a decade. I feel like Microsoft becoming the biggest corporate contributor to open source has changed my outlook on Microsoft.
The problem is it’s impossible to prove either way, just becouse they haven’t done any extinguishing in over a decade doesn’t mean any of the theoretically positive things they are doing don’t have those intentions, embrace and extend aren’t antithetical to contributing to open source, in fact I would say what they are doing is embracing it pretty well
If not for their history I’d say it’s great! But this is Microsoft we’re talking about, even if they have changed we shouldn’t just assume their intentions are pure
It sounds like you are working off of FUD though. With the change over of Microsoft twice since the litigation against them, it stands to reason that there isn’t a single worker from high up in Microsoft that has been there since 1999.
This week I learned that online version Microsoft Teams outright refuses to make calls of it runs on Firefox. They are doing the same exact shit they did two decades ago.
I think Google maps does something similar with Firefox, where it won’t zoom in with the mouse wheel–only the ‘+’ and ‘-’ buttons work. It also seems to lag quite a bit on Firefox. On chrome it works just fine.
Huh, really? I’ll have to try that out. I only use Teams on my work computer (Mac), but Linux at home. All of our interviews are over teams, so I wonder if that’s an issue for our applicants.
I feel that way every time I start vscode. A fast, high quality, open-source, cross-platform IDE - on Electron of all things - made by Microsoft? It’s so weird.
as the article points out, they did actually do some good things
also, check out VSCodium. A cleaned up version of VSCode (I assume that name was inspired by Chromium, a cleaned up version of Google Chrome)
You can already run basically any Linux application, even graphical ones, on Windows through WSL. But at that point, why would you even keep putting up with Windows?
Suppose you work maintaining both Windows and Linux infrastructure, having both in one OS is useful.
Or if you want Windows for gaming, not having to reboot is nice.
However, I’ve been Linux only for >10 years now, so I obviously don’t see any value in WSL. I tried it a few times and it was neat, but ultimately not something I care about.
Non-emulated AutoCAD and Ableton with full VST support are two big ones. Last I checked there were still ASIO driver issues with my audio interface (Scarlett 18i8), too.
I know things have come a long way since I last mained Ubuntu but I’m not interested in jumping through hoops to get it going even if it’s “possible” when they work natively without issue on Windows.
I mean it wouldn’t be that surprising, they make all their money on corporate installs. A service based Linux type system which has all the same spyware and issues as windows being a good business decision for them doesn’t seem like a victory, just a corporation doing a capitalism.
If true, it must be a thin client then. I just can’t imagine they’ll rewrite the kernel in Rust. That would be awesome, but super error prone if they’re going to try to maintain backward compatibility. GUI in Rust is also painful, so I doubt it’s that either.
Don’t quote me on this but i recall seeing something a while back about how a significant part of the windows kernel was already ported to rust. The windows kernel has been fairly decoupled from the UI layer for a while, that was one of the big efforts in the 8.1 and 10 versions: to have a core that xbox, phone, and desktop could all share.
made me remember this old classic:
http://www.mslinux.org/
A bargain in 2003 dollars.
The most important installation method is missing, though. Installing Linux to the hard drive, replacing Windows.
?
The instructions for a bare-metal install are there.
But they specifically mention installing it on a USB stick. Yes, nothing serious you from applying the same instructions to a hard drive. But still.
It appears to very clearly describe flashing the installer onto a USB stick.
Oh, you’re right. Misread that when skimming the tutorial.
Well, that happens sometimes.
Embrace. Extend. Extinguish. Hold fast against the barbarians at the gates.
I’ve not seen a true example of this in over a decade. I feel like Microsoft becoming the biggest corporate contributor to open source has changed my outlook on Microsoft.
The problem is it’s impossible to prove either way, just becouse they haven’t done any extinguishing in over a decade doesn’t mean any of the theoretically positive things they are doing don’t have those intentions, embrace and extend aren’t antithetical to contributing to open source, in fact I would say what they are doing is embracing it pretty well
If not for their history I’d say it’s great! But this is Microsoft we’re talking about, even if they have changed we shouldn’t just assume their intentions are pure
It sounds like you are working off of FUD though. With the change over of Microsoft twice since the litigation against them, it stands to reason that there isn’t a single worker from high up in Microsoft that has been there since 1999.
Nah. We’re the barbarians with Romans at our gates.
FTFY
Exactly, nothing changed about them.
This week I learned that online version Microsoft Teams outright refuses to make calls of it runs on Firefox. They are doing the same exact shit they did two decades ago.
So THIS is why teams doesn’t work for me on Firefox anymore, Jesus. Welp, I can spoof my user string
I think Google maps does something similar with Firefox, where it won’t zoom in with the mouse wheel–only the ‘+’ and ‘-’ buttons work. It also seems to lag quite a bit on Firefox. On chrome it works just fine.
That’s wrong. I use Firefox and maps just fine
Huh, really? I’ll have to try that out. I only use Teams on my work computer (Mac), but Linux at home. All of our interviews are over teams, so I wonder if that’s an issue for our applicants.
So in my case, something broke with intune. I was told to use office.com for time being.
While that works, when I tried to call it told me that I should use chrome or edge.
truly we live in a bizarre world
I feel that way every time I start vscode. A fast, high quality, open-source, cross-platform IDE - on Electron of all things - made by Microsoft? It’s so weird.
as the article points out, they did actually do some good things
also, check out VSCodium. A cleaned up version of VSCode (I assume that name was inspired by Chromium, a cleaned up version of Google Chrome)
Chromium is the engine Google Chrome is based on, not the other way around.
I’ve said this before but I believe windows will merge Linux into it before too long. It’s starting with WSL. It’ll be hybrid OS eventually
Not going to happen. Money is good, but we are too addicted to freedom already.
Even if it happened for whatever reason, that’d make most users fall back to “vanilla” versions of Linux.
You can already run basically any Linux application, even graphical ones, on Windows through WSL. But at that point, why would you even keep putting up with Windows?
All the power of Linux, with the annoyances of windows… A perfect world.
Suppose you work maintaining both Windows and Linux infrastructure, having both in one OS is useful.
Or if you want Windows for gaming, not having to reboot is nice.
However, I’ve been Linux only for >10 years now, so I obviously don’t see any value in WSL. I tried it a few times and it was neat, but ultimately not something I care about.
It’s handy if you have use windows for something and you keep having to look up bloody powershell equivalents for bash commands.
Same. Tried to remote administrate a Windows 10 VM with Ansible a couple years back. Not a fun experience.
50% Windows, 50% Linux, 100% garbage!
If that first 50% runs my applications flawlessly, I’m all for it. I do not want to dual boot and Linux doesn’t meet my needs yet.
50% Linux means developers are more likely to create Linux applications which is a step closer to 100% Linux
What are your needs?
Non-emulated AutoCAD and Ableton with full VST support are two big ones. Last I checked there were still ASIO driver issues with my audio interface (Scarlett 18i8), too.
I know things have come a long way since I last mained Ubuntu but I’m not interested in jumping through hoops to get it going even if it’s “possible” when they work natively without issue on Windows.
I know some people like it, but I’ll die on the hill that WSL sucks compared to the real thing.
I want to like, because well I want to have an OS that just works on my work computer, but at least my experience has been less then optimal.
imagine microsoft promoting guides to use the terminal which was deemed outdated, slow and complicated legacy in the past.
Give it two or three more major teleases, then windows will be a DE runnining on some *nix-ish kernel. Microsoft is really learning the hard way.
If they actually change the kernel to something new and modern, I might just find a little respect to give to them
I will die laughing the day that Windows becomes a linux distro.
I mean it wouldn’t be that surprising, they make all their money on corporate installs. A service based Linux type system which has all the same spyware and issues as windows being a good business decision for them doesn’t seem like a victory, just a corporation doing a capitalism.
All the rumors for 12/CoreOS are saying it’s going to be in Rust.
If true, it must be a thin client then. I just can’t imagine they’ll rewrite the kernel in Rust. That would be awesome, but super error prone if they’re going to try to maintain backward compatibility. GUI in Rust is also painful, so I doubt it’s that either.
Don’t quote me on this but i recall seeing something a while back about how a significant part of the windows kernel was already ported to rust. The windows kernel has been fairly decoupled from the UI layer for a while, that was one of the big efforts in the 8.1 and 10 versions: to have a core that xbox, phone, and desktop could all share.
Huh, it looks like Windows 11 is including Rust to some degree in the kernel. I wonder how far they’ll take it.
Here you go: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install