Some of the LinkedIn Responses are direct and on-point, and also hilariously/depressingly based depending on how you look at it:
EDIT: In hindsight, I think I should’ve looked into posting this in a different community… It’s closer to a silly “innovation”… soo… is this considered FUD? I also don’t support smoking or vaping, especially among kids. Original title had “privacy-violating” before the “solution”.
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The funny thing is: This is very likely just a VOC detector with a fancy API. I can’t imagine that they spent too much on actual hardware development, especially as they are afaik not a real hardware company.
So it will be triggered by VOC.
You know what else does cause a lot of VOC to be distributed in a environment?
Yeah. Taking a proper shit.
This has very likely never been tested on an actual toilet.
Apart from everything else, this is horrible UI.
A pop-up with an X to close button that’s supposed to be shown on a TV, which will have no mouse attached.
The text doesn’t even read like something that should be customer-facing.
Just make it look uncool! Cigarettes’ image went from “cool” to “I’m 12 and I want to be taken seriously by mom/oh my god why did I even tried it”. From “hip” vaping, where should it’s image go? (Besides down the drain)
I have a better solution: Run these videos on the screens in the hallways 24/7 to outcringe the vapers.
THAT is a fucking masterpiece.
Kids will vape at the sensors just to see them on the TV
new challenge, get your name on every bathroom vape moniter in 1 day
Wait till this crowd hears about smoke detectors.
Look honestly I don’t think this is that dystopian.
Smoke detectors existed in bathrooms forever. The main use in high school seems to be catching particularly dumb teenagers smoking cigarettes in the bathroom. When I was in high school they were tuned to be super sensitive to the point where water vapor could set one off. I remember one time where the entire school had to stand out in the rain after a fire alarm went off, in what was later determined to be just two teenagers smoking in the bathroom.
Teachers also have been trying to catch students smoking for like 50 years. Back in the 20th, there were assistant principals that basically roamed the halls looking for whiffs of cigarette smoke. Part of the reason memes about hanging out under the bleachers started is because it was the best place to smoke on account of being outside, out of the way, and old school gym teachers just not giving a fuck.
This dudes app just seems like a modern update on very old concepts. Instead of teenagers smoking cigarettes, they are vaping. Instead of a smoke detector, you have something designed specifically for vapes. Instead of some super anal assistant principal on patrol, you have some super anal assistant principal sprinting across the school. Who knows, maybe this is the thing that forces teenagers to touch grass because I’m willing to there aren’t vape detectors under the bleachers and gym teachers still don’t give a fuck.
There’s even a Motley Crue song about it
There’s even a Brownsville Station song about it
Introducing!
The Narc App!
Sure to be a hit. Hit with the closest blunt object.
Bubble gum stuck into the sensor coming in 5 seconds…
Somebody teach the kids to pentest: get into their REST API and ring it for every desk this stupid sensor is placed in. If you’re better than average, get into the operations of the electric controller which these sensors are powered through and fry them. Cost the school millions and they’ll (maybe) come to their senses
…so kids can freely vape in school buildings during school hours?
It’s not about the vaping it’s about teaching them to not waste public money on stupid shit.
Trying to stop kids from using drugs on school property is “stupid shit”?
Vaping is nothing compared to what they could buy with the money they spent on the whatever exorbitant price this surely costs.
Yes, let people d what they want.
As with smoking, vaping can be very irritating to people nearby who don’t want to smoke, so it’s not simply a matter of letting people do what they want, it’s about behaving in a manner that is socially acceptable when living among other people.
yes!
Imagine paying taxes for education and they spend it on shit like this.
I strongly suspect stuff like this happens at rich people’s private schools.
Ain’t no public school in the US got money for this.
Rich kids at private schools aren’t wasting time vaping. They have cocaine they bought off someone on the faculty or brought in from mommy and daddy’s stash at home.
Nah. Poor public schools spend waaaay to much money on shit like this. Source: Have worked as a teacher in a poor public school.
My old HS recently implemented an app to go to the bathroom. If you dont check out in the app you are written up. Source: my younger brother
And what’s next?
I would assume ISS, then regular suspension, then expulsion
ISS, as in: you get shot into space?
We have to get those astronauts boeing stranded up there back somehow…
No-no-no. They have worse quality control than even roscosmos, which is huge anti-achivement. I’d rather trust Rogozin personally, than boeing managers. At least we know on which dacha he stores stolen money.
I wish. no in school suspension
Right, America. They even make people pay to become productive members of society.
pay to become products* FTFY
One upside from not having enough budget, ghouls don’t have enough money to develop stuff like this in public schools.
One would hope, but no, so long as the Super-Intendent gets his kick-backs, this is the shit that takes priority over all-else.
i dont see how this is a violation of anyones privacy and trying to get kids to not get addicted to drugs is a pretty fucking good cause.
Lemmy generally has a pro-drugs sentiment, which is certainly unsettling.
Also, can I visit bathrooms and not get into clouds of vape smoke, pretty please?
i mean im all for letting people approach drugs as they please but, someone smoking weed once in a while with some frinds is not the same as massive corporations flooding media as specifically media for children with propaganda to get them addicted to nicotine. Being pro that isnt so much being pro drug as its being a corporate bootlicker and downright irresponsible.
Also true
Addicted to drugs!? We’re talking about vaping here. Don’t strain your hand clutching those pearls.
dude never heard about nicotine thats crazy.
Nicotine is a drug.
Alcohol too, btw.
Power is the best drug.
Nicotine is no better of a drug than many others you probably wouldn’t want kids taking. Just because it’s a vape doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly addictive.
Doesn’t make anyone sound like less of a square calling it a drug.
Is nicotine not a drug?
I’m not going to argue that nicotine is not technically a drug. But I still think you sound like a square in calling it one.
And? Why does that matter?
So, it is a drug, but it’s not right to call it one?
Assuming this is just a sensor for air quality tuned to this use case, I would probably have to agree. So long as it isn’t tracking specific students or taking photos, this is about as privacy invansize as the motion detector that opens automatic doors… or any old carbon monoxide or other detector which are used to legit protect public safety, just as preventing children from the claws of the tobacco industry.
I don’t know what’s with the downvotes, you’re pretty spot on. Some people are too privacy-oriented on this sub
Sure it seems draconian, but how else are we going to get the kids to stop vaping and start smoking cigarettes like we did when we were in high school?
Won’t someone please think of Phillip Morris’ profit margins?
Doesn’t Phillip Morris profit from vapes, too?
Bringing vapes as a popular nicotine delivery system is literally the way tobacco companies are able to proliferate and return smoking into fashion.
Also, smoking should be prohibited as well. Not only because it hurts the smokers themselves, but because others are affected without their consent.
A big salty tear.
Yes they profit from vapes, but they dont have as large a market share, as ‘anyone’ can make vape juice.
It’s easier to make cigarettes than vape juice. Everyone can produce them.
No reason to believe it’s any hard to build a similar monopoly on that, too
Your responding seriously to a joke.
Makes it funnier though, doesn’t it?
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Schools are more like prisons nowadays
Start them early
Reeeeeeee! Fucking badges and metal detectors.
I’ll chime in with a weird take: this is a privacy community, we are united in a sense of defending our peaceful and unproblematic browsing on the internet and sending messages to friends from lunatics who seem to want everyone treated with the suspicion of highest criminal activity. the article posted describes a “privacy infringement” onto someone who not only has already broken the rule, but strongly publicized it by making people have to smell it. the perpetrators didn’t even have an expectation of privacy, so the premise is ridiculous.
I’ll say it like this: if the tv detects nicotine patches on someone’s skin, then i pick up the torches and pitchforks.
This may be a controversial take, but maybe we shouldn’t surveil children in bathrooms full stop.
I think your take is too far. It’s just beyond reasonable.
If a teacher were outside the room and heard a loud crash, they’d go investigate. This is doing the same thing.
It isn’t identifying individuals, it doesn’t record any information about a person, it simply flags that somebody is breaking the rules and is worth taking a look.
This is about the least invasive technological solution you could get.
And it’s a heck of a lot better than alternatives like removing the stall doors.
It’s not surveilling children, it’s surveilling the byproducts of vaping.
There’s no indication they use cameras in there. It’s most likely just a sensor for vape smoke, similar to your common fire alarm.
And if it makes bathrooms a place where everyone can breathe without inhaling nicotine, I’m all for it. This is not a serious privacy concern.
Anything that picks anything up in a bathroom is a privacy concern.
In usual schools teachers are required to walk through every bathroom once in every break because the children are hiding in there to skip going in the yard. I do think this is much more annoying though.
This. It’s a sensor, detecting only a specific air type. Not a camera, not a microphone. It doesn’t have to do with privacy, this is not “scan and collect data about all to punish one” and cannot be turned into one.
I’ll agree it’s a fuc**ing dumb idea. Like utter useless garbage. Classic capitalistic “fix behavioral trash-consumption issue with overpriced fancy tech products that sound amazing in theory and are garbage in practice, without fighting the problem at the root”. Screenshot comment said tax moeny but I’m willing to bet this is some kind of private school.