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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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the layout of the last 3 panels is a little baffling.
I’m giving you an F purely on how abysmally you put this comic together.
This is not how comics work…
ahh yes crypto, where every single transaction is kept on a permanent ledger, truly a bastion of privacy unlike this dollar bill that may or may not have been used to snort cocaine or put in a strippers thong.
Or maybe, that dollar bill has lived an especially wild life and was used to snort coke off a strippers ass before being placed into a thong.
A ledger which is pseudonymous. On Bitcoin lightning, your transactions don’t go on (but are secured by) the Bitcoin ledger. Monero offers even more privacy.
So, you agree that it’s not anonymous?
It’s pseudonymous, with proper use, you can achieve a great deal of anonymity with it, especially now that lightning and coinjoin are things. Monero does most of that automatically, so if you want hard anonymity the easy way, use Monero. Bitcoin’s privacy continues to increase with time and is a priority for developers. An auditable supply is also crucial.
so not anonymous? If you aren’t guaranteed 100% anonymous, you are not anonymous in the slightest.
In perfect use, a condom is something like 97 percent effective. In real use its not close.
Cash: Continues existing
Crypto bros: “And I took that personally”.jpeg
Would any rich cryptobros like a copy of that jpeg but instead pay 100k for it so you can say you “own it”?
/s
Cash: continues existing, providing simple, privacy-perserving, anonymous payments for the population
Governments and CBDCs: “And I took that personally”.jpeg
You go into a store and purchase a tool. Like an axe. You pay with cash.
You use the axe to commit a crime. You are a suspect, and the police issue a photo to the public.
The store clerk recognises the photo and contacts the police.
The police review the footage and watch you paying with cash at the store.
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in your example thenproblem is the purchase method, not the payment method. Same thing would have happened if you payed with crypto.
You dropped this: Hands you a tinfoil hat
The community is rightfully distrustful and dismissive toward a technology that is mostly used for scams and grifting.
The Folding Ideas video on crypto has yet to be adequately refuted.
If someone was earnestly looking for a way to privately transact, the best option I’ve seen is GNU taler, which doesn’t require any crypto or blockchains to accomplish its goal extremely well, it just needs wider adoption.
Putting aside all other arguments, just comparing Monero vs Taler for a earnest private way to transact. Can you explain to me how Taler is the better option from the perspective of the sender and the receiver lets say someone was buying a month of VPN access for $5?
For a XMR/Monero Transaction (S - seller, R - Receiver, X - XMR Chain)
for a Taler transaction (S, R, T- Taler)
Am I missing something? XMR has a longer wait period, but Taler has far less privacy aspects overall.
“Crypto” is full of scams, you’re right about that. Bitcoin has been around for 15 years. You can use it to send money to anybody on planet earth with a phone in under a second (with lightning) for pennies in fees. It has a transparent, auditable supply. It has done this function without a single bank holiday, hack, or hour of downtime since the 2008 financial crisis, through a pandemic, wars, and attempted bans by nation states. No country controls it, there is no CEO and no board, it runs according to an open source protocol.
Bitcoin has a market cap bigger than Sweden’s GDP, currently around a trillion USD which places it in the top 20 countries by GDP. On average, every year it grows no matter whether you are measuring market cap, number of nodes, number of transactions, volume of money moved, whatever. It processes millions of transactions and moves billions of dollars of value a year. On nostr alone it has processed 2.9 million transactions over the past two months.
Bitcoin works. It’s been working. People all over the globe use it as a currency, as an asset, and as a payment method.
GNU Taler is worse for privacy than cash in many ways and intermediaries all your transactions. It’s funded by major banks and the EU, the same EU that wants Chat Control. The money in it “expires”. It’s a backdoor for a Central Bank Digital Currency, which is some dystopian shit that will enable total financial surveillance and control. https://lemmy.ml/post/17733761
Gotta love to use a currency with that fluctuating value. /s
When I pay for a coffee and the shop says that I paid the equivalent of 5 cents. Then, I pay the rest and all of a sudden: I paid the equivalent of 100€.
Don’t forget the dire environmental impact of pretty much every cryptocurrency!
Bitcoin uses <1% of global electrical usage, mostly from renewables since miners must chase the cheapest electricity and renewables at off-peak times are it. They turn off during times of peak demand since they can’t afford higher-priced electricity. How do you think that compares to banks? Remittance services? All the infrastructure used to move money from point A to point B? It takes energy and even more valuable: human capital to move value around.
For reasons why Bitcoin isn’t a huge waste of energy and why it actually helps stabilize grids, increase efficiency, decrease electrical costs, and subsidizes the provision of new renewable infrastructure, see https://endthefud.org/
Considering how much of a nieche Bitcoin still is: 0.5% of global energy usage is one hell of a lot of energy!
In what universe is proof-of-work more efficient than conventional banking systems?
Let’s talk about banks.
Let’s talk about all the vaults and their maintenance, the security guards, the Brinks armored cars, all the tellers, wire transaction-handling, and so on and so on.
No, gee, hmm, they’ve never calculated how much a vast, global expense all of this is per second.
Maybe they want you to keep believing that it’s more efficient.
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Thats not true.
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Bitcoin != most cryptocurrencies
So your “argument” is purely semantic. Good to know.
How has your USD or EUR held up the last 5 years? Buys fewer eggs than it used to huh? Bitcoin has held up pretty damned well. Its price has gotten more stable with time, it is more stable than most national currencies already. Stability is a reflection of scale. Need perfect stability? You can use Bitcoin for payments while receiving and sending in USD or your currency of choice, just use Bitcoin as the settlement layer. Strike already does this in like 20+ countries with instant settlement times thanks to lightning. And no fees.
Fiat currency is guaranteed to lose value over time. Central banks set a target inflation rate of 2-3% per year. Bitcoin may gain or lose value over time. Choosing between a guaranteed loss of value or a potential loss/gain in value, the choice is clear for me. For 15 years in a row, holding BTC has been a better investment than holding USD.
Yeah. But it has been way more stable in the timespan of a few minutes.
Please read up a bit on economics. You’re embarrassing yourself with your austrian brainworm.