A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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Since you are so about unreasoably insulting people, I drew a picture of you.
Get your act together. There are issues out there to be solved but they won’t be solved by infighting, especially not by you.
Also, the Telegram billionaire is a lying piece of shit. Anyone barely literate about privacy will avoid that platform, for their private messages, with a 10 foot pole.
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I mean since I’m not using his oh so worthy platform I guess I’m not said beetle? I am also a young dev and have already made a record in the privavy community and plan to make even better progress, so you’re just plain wrong that I may not have contributed anything. Sucking up to a billionaire as much as you just did really makes you sound like you’re part of a cult.
Even if you don’t like the guy, I think it’s worth reading what he has to say. And you can agree with what he says and go on not liking him.
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Now, if there only was a software one could control, that could be made to offer real good privacy and encryption……
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You‘re not wrong. But all of that needs private, trustworthy software…
what is up with this batshit insane post, i know this was written by some right wing facist, people like you are the reason it is like this
The free internet is already dead. Where has this guy been hiding that he didn’t know that.
It is and isn’t.
I’d compare the people who use technologies like this to the internet users of the 90’s and those who use facebag, tweeker and insta to the AOL users back then.
Yes, we’re the minority, but that is how people have always been. Most people don’t want freedom. But those that do still have plenty of options. Don’t forget that “they” didn’t originally plan on us plebes having true encryption tech and privacy cryptos. It is possible that we are doing better than it looks.
But yea… his comment sounds more like something we would have said 20 years ago, rather than the present. I agree with your point.
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this was the dude arrested because he let drug trafficking and csam go unchecked on telegram… so naturally it makes sense that he’ll lurch rightward.
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I call bullshit show me the story where CSAM has been on YouTube.
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This is not true, group chats with more than two members on Telegram are NEVER encrypted. Telegram admins have full access to see the contents of these private chats, and have the ability to respond to court orders, but they were ignoring those requests. This is why he was arrested. Google/YouTube respond to court orders and do take stuff down, and actual encrypted messengers like Signal have no way to see the contents of the messages, which is why the owners and operators of these services have never been arrested.
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you did, just with different words. without encryption and with centralized servers how would this claim of yours be the case?
you know, trust and safety teams aren’t looking at the content with the apps when they look for harmful content. they have access to better moderation tools with access to the database, where the messages are readable to them because of the lack of end to end encryption.
If messages aren’t end to end encrypted, then their contents of the messages can be intercepted by Telegram or any adversary who has access to Telegram’s systems. This is what the US Government was doing with Prism to suck in unencrypted data from ISPs without their knowledge. By not having end to end encryption, you have to trust that Telegram administrators are being truthful when they say they’re not looking at your messages, and that their systems are never compromised by crimegroups or nation states without Telegram’s knowledge.
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it’s his service; he’s absolutely responsible or it. he was arrested because he DIDN’T do anything about it.
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posessing csam is not “freedom of speech”.
nevermind the fact that telegram repeatedly refused to join child protection against csam groups to address the problem of csam on their service.
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Oh yes it had nothing with him not doing anything about child porn nothing at all.
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its everyone elses fault that he let csam unchecked on his app?
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What I found most alarming about this whole thing: this post showed up in the Telegram app for me, in a banner. I don’t follow Durov’s channel. He decided to push it to every Telegram client regardless of whether they’re following him.
Mine looks weird 😄
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This is true, I have got that banner too but refuse to join it;
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Okay well, I did. It was on the iOS Telegram client, US phone number. Maybe Pavel pushed it only to certain clients.
The guy who made bank on Russian suppression of communication: “Europe is the problem.”
What an absolute loads of bollocks.
There has recently been 1 woman jailed for her tweets where she admitted to inciting violence, not because of free speech issues.
These libertarian wankers love citing that sole case (and make out that it’s “thousands, I tell ya!”) but will overlook that several Just Stop Oil protesters were jailed for 4 years just for holding a zoom call and anti-genocide protesters are being arrested and charged with terrorism offences just for writing on a bit of cardboard.
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I love when people call other people sheep because they don’t believe them but they are following other online like sheep.
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And if you paid any attention to those reports, you would know that the vast majority are where those people have been critical of the UK or other govts actions, especially surrounding Palestine and none have gone further with the exception of Asa Winstanley. The only reason the police have visited those people is because zionist like complaining about nothing until they get their own way.
The one that the commentor here was responding to was a clear case of inciting violence. The same with people like the constantly crashing out Graham Lineham, who was arrested by police because he was inciting violence against a protected class.
So while the UK govt is infringing on peoples free speech, its not the ones who are getting all the publicity. Theyre just a bunch of whining fuckwits who want to be able to threaten people without consequence.
Please do try to keep abreast of the situation rather than stomping in with big boots and looking like a fucking idiot.
Why would she admit something like that… This sounds sus. You got a link?
She admitted it because she was caught bang to rights
Interesting… 2 years for an idiotic post. Interesting use of taxpayer money.
But these people allow pedos go free and live their best lives
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“An idiotic post”
She was inciting people to burn down hotels housing vulnerable people. Some of those padeos you bleat about were at the protests while 60% of those arrested at a protest in Bristol have form as domestic abusers
Yes, all about protecting women and kids.
I am not sure what point you are trying to make here.
Pedos should be in prison or dead.
uK is like US a place where they got to live their best lives tho
You should ask that of yourself. Youre the one who brought up paedos. Maybe you get all too muddled in your head and cant make a salient point?
Wasting resources to police speech in a country over ran with pedos like Andrew is clown behaviour
Only the rich ones that can fly on private jets to far islands.
Germany is what? Also the EU voted against chat control.
I partly agree with your point, but please state the facts precisely.
They did not. It was just removed from the agenda for now.
OK, I didn’t know. But my point still is that we don’t have it (yet).
I recently heard a podcast “interview” of him by Lex Fridman and - while he’s for sure extremely intelligent and talented - it looks like he’s been infected with the “philosophical fit-bro ultra-liberist elitarianism” disease that is all the rage now, unfortunately.
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The message (which appears as a banner in the Telegram app, too) is filled with overhyped “news” and generalization regarding freedom of speech. Since him being stopped and investigated in France, he’s gone pretty unhinged on freedom of speech, disregarding the complexity of governing bodies and the real effect of information without bounds.
He makes valid points and I’m not defending anyone, but he oversimplifies and misreads some topics.
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I have the feeling you’re not really reading what I’m writing, you want to clash instead of discuss, but I’ll go on: I fully agree that taking him in custody and pressuring him to close unwanted channels is wrong and can deter startups and investments in the social network field in Europe, but Russia is a real threat and they are using all the tools possible to manipulate opinion (in Moldova for example) and create chaos. So pretty understandable that the French tried it. But he puts it like Europe and Russia are on the same level of media and chat control, and they are not. Nonetheless, there is a drift in that direction and we should uphold the free speech rights. All in all, I welcome his message!
This is what this user does, for the record. They don’t care about anything anyone else says, they must be 100% correct or they turn to insults. You may want to block them if you care about actual discussion.
Do you have a link to a source for this?
Posted this on his Twitter account: https://x.com/durov/status/1976420399970701543
And he posted it to his Telegram channel, too: https://t.me/durov/452
My message to Telegram CEO: Open source your shit and we’ll talk then about freedom and whatever marketing campaing you are on right now. Bye.
That and the need of an android or iphone in order to create an account… ;[
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Yeah the message is only half right.
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Your a happy little telegram bot aren’t you.
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Yes
I don’t see why the CEO of Telegram is concerned about laws about scanning of private messages since the vast majority of the communication on Telegram is unencrypted.