They aren’t encrypted, hence why I never said they were.

you did, just with different words. without encryption and with centralized servers how would this claim of yours be the case?

If it’s a private group they don’t know what’s happening.

you know, trust and safety teams aren’t looking at the content with the apps when they look for harmful content. they have access to better moderation tools with access to the database, where the messages are readable to them because of the lack of end to end encryption.

If messages aren’t end to end encrypted, then their contents of the messages can be intercepted by Telegram or any adversary who has access to Telegram’s systems. This is what the US Government was doing with Prism to suck in unencrypted data from ISPs without their knowledge. By not having end to end encryption, you have to trust that Telegram administrators are being truthful when they say they’re not looking at your messages, and that their systems are never compromised by crimegroups or nation states without Telegram’s knowledge.

posessing csam is not “freedom of speech”.

nevermind the fact that telegram repeatedly refused to join child protection against csam groups to address the problem of csam on their service.