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I also discovered XMPP recently. I’ve been evaluating my options for private and secure messaging and it’s at the top of my list along with Signal. I wouldn’t use a public server, personally. You should host it yourself or join one that someone you trust is hosting. Server admins are privy to a lot of metadata. I’m on the fence right now but with the IETF actively working on MLS and MIMI, I am not sure if XMPP will live on. By all means play around with it and let us know how it goes!
There is an active project to enable MLS on XMPP right now, funded by Nlnet. Not many details yet, but from the little that is known it sounds quite promising.
I wrote an XMPP client about 12 years ago. It was the first spec I ever read. It is awesome! It’s such a nice protocol to work with. I wish it were more popular, because I would love to work with it again.
It’s nice. I use it to communicate with peers who weren’t afraid to set it up.
I’ve found active small XMPP communities before, so I know they are there, but the client can’t seem to find these niche communities. The communities with most members almost don’t chat about current topics or interesting things. They have a lot of people but no conversation, just like some Discord communities.
There is a channel search engine, but yes for now XMPP is more of an alternative to Whatsapp or Signal for 1:1 communication or small group-chats. If you are looking for public channels the best is to join IRC channels via the very nice Biboumi gateway for XMPP.
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XMPP could have been great if it weren’t left to die. The clients look like from the 2000s and encryption is a mess to set up. We instead have Matrix, which is pretty resource intensive to run and has its own problems but it practically functions like XMPP.
When did you last try XMPP? There are some reasonably modern looking clients these days and encryption certainly works better than on Matrix.
I’d like to second Snikket - it’s designed for this use case and is very simple to set up.
If you’d rather not use Snikket, check out these recommendations for clients and servers.
Hope it works for you! Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.
It’s fairly technically complex to set up a server, and the clients are very fragmented with no standard feature set, OMEMO encryption is also outdated in the libraries used in popular clients.
Overall I’ve tried it a few times, but the clients are just too dated feeling with no good easy to use PC clients.
Both Dino and Gajim are modern looking and easy to use XMPP desktop clients.
Protocol and privacy-wise: prefect. The only problem is that mobile clients are all garbage.
What exactly do you expect from mobile clients? I personally find them among the best, as they work well, look reasonably nice and use very little battery. Monocles and Cheogram are nice for Android (both free on F-droid) and Monal is ok for iOS.
I expect them to be on the level of other modern chat apps, not something barely working, hard to setup for most people and prone to failure at any point.
I tried Monal once, and let’s face it doesn’t even look close to any other basic iOS app, poorly designed, sometimes crashes and getting audio/video to work is just painful because of some bad taste decisions they’ve made.
I like Jabber and Monal a LOT and I hope they can replace the garbage that other IMs and Matrix is however the clients must be a bit better. Monal is a very good attempt, it is almost there but there are multiple pain points that won’t be acceptable for a regular user.
Well, on Android they are very much “on the level of other modern chat apps” and Monal has improved a lot in recent months 🤷♂️
I like Jabber and Monal a LOT and I hope they can replace the garbage that other IMs and Matrix is however the clients must be a bit better. Monal is a very good attempt, it is almost there but there are multiple pain points that won’t be acceptable for a regular user.
Try snikket
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It is really hard to use after reading all the related manual, so I never even bothered with setting up an account.
It’s not, i’ve got two non-tech friends on my private instance, biggest issue was me nuking wrong folder on server. You just need a good client, i go with Dino for desktop and monocles chat for android. My non-techies are mobile-only and i and my techy friend are on Dino on desktop, only feature it lacked is group calls which i’ve monkeypached with a feature for my bot that generates Jitsi invites.