With the recent WWDC apple made some bold claims about privacy when it comes to so called Apple Intelligence. This makes me wonder if they did something to what Microsoft did with Recall feature, would people be less concerned and to an extend praise their effort?
Do you trust apple with their claims?
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If a bunch of security experts came out in the wake of the feature’s announcement talking about how much of a disaster it is, I hope they would.
It’s not the same exactly, but: http://www.mac4n6.com/blog/2018/8/5/knowledge-is-power-using-the-knowledgecdb-database-on-macos-and-ios-to-determine-precise-user-and-application-usage
I never bought any Apple product and thought they were overhyped, so it might be easy enough for me to say, but no, I personally wouldn’t have been Ok with it.
I can see more people begrudgingly using it if Apple did it though.
Everyone suckles Apple’s dick. Friends of mine were talking as if Microsoft has ended security and privacy, but are lapping up the Apple Intelligence crap
I found it really weird too, Microsoft pushing Recall, an AI feature, vs Apple pushing Apple Intelligence, an AI feature… and only Microsoft got backfired.
Recall was set to be default on for everybody and to record everything in a database which is trivial to extract data from.
There’s a lot of nonsense Apple is doing too (like the chatgpt integration) but they didn’t put keylogger into the system.
One records your every moment and was instantly exploited to get every piece of data you ever saw and the other does things when you ask it too and asks you before sending data off device. These are clearly exactly the same thing.
Hmm didn’t know iCloud was on device…
iCloud is a data backup system, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand
I guess I thought it was the primary data storage dump. My point is that your data is already sent before you had a choice.
No, but if a linux distro implemented a local-only version of this, I would be interested in using it.
I honestly don’t understand the use case. What do you find interesting about it?
One thing it claimed was the ability to rewrite copy. Basically finally an improvement over spellcheck which has been the same for like 20 years. Would be nice to have something better built into the OS in every text field.
You could also have stuff like suggestions in your terminal when you’re starting to write a command based on what’s in the man pages and the layout of your filesystem.
Recall won’t help with that. You also don’t need an AI for the second one. Just something more than a basic shell.
My memory isn’t perfect, it would be nice to have a second set of eyes, and I could describe things to it aside from knowing the exact words. “What was that website I visited within the last six months where I played an online game that was like snake but different?” or “What was that cryptocurrency i was researching which was touting it had perfect forward secrecy?” “Who was I emailing about the football game” etc.
I feel like those can be solved already by searching through your emails/browser history.
Nope, but I also feel like Apple would have it off by default, unlike Microsoft.
Apple at least tries to explain what is happening, and while not always great, you feel you understand why they are doing something or implementing new functionality unlike Windows who just dumps this shit on you without your consent and then you have to learn 5 years later that they put absolutely no thought in why they were doing, especially thinking about your privacy. Anyway, I use Arch, btw. /s
Could they please explain why a laptop should not be able to scale content on third party monitors without lowering resolution? Why it shouldn’t be able to connect to more than one monitor? Why we can’t have a toggle for (insert random unneeded feature here, like only minimizing programs when clicking on the red x button that should close them). Why their tablets and phones aren’t able to send things via Bluetooth? Etc.
They already did, Spotlight is Machiavelli behind the “walled garden”
Apple’s PR is better. With Microsoft all news titles were like “OMG Windows will take screenshots of all you do and send it to AI”, and with Apple it’s more like “Apple is carefully adding AI to their products, respecting user privacy as they always have been”.
Of course, when one looks into technical details they would find that MS Recall is strictly local and runs only on special hardware that people don’t even have yet.
Apple Intelligence does send your data to cloud and scans everything you have in Apple ecosystem, not just screenshots. Of course they say it’s done in very privacy respecting ways, and provide a lot of technical information to back this claim. But at the end it’s closed source and is subject to change at any time.
Having said that, Apple users are used to and value that Apple magically takes care of everything, so they are happy to pay premium for Apple’s products whatever the company does.
As far as we know, apple’s system does not take screenshots automatically, storing them unencrypted, likely revealing secrets to other programs.
Recall doesn’t either… it’s encrypted with Windows Hello Auth
But once a process is running its trivial to get weeks of extremely detailed history and lots of secrets you thought were ephemeral
Makes a lot of sense until the closed source affirmation. The source code of the OS they develop is closed source, but a lot of what they do is open source and independantly audited by experts, so there’s that in the balance.
Windows is just a pile of trash.
I guess there is a chance to see some of code, but I doubt about it being properly open sourced.
Source: https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/
What that Apple does is Open Source? This is the first time I’ve read this.
Darwin. Their BSD and the foundation of MacOS and therefore all the current OSes they produce.
Yeah, but that’s just the kernel. Anything above that (window manager, the utilities that they didn’t outright copy from BSD, apps, …) is basically closed source.
Yes
I have heard of Darwin, and went back to read up on it to refresh my memory. While it is considered open source, it is also useless unless it is used for Apple’s closed source operating systems, as can be appreciated in this explanation:
Open Source should be compilable and able to be used, at least that’s my perspective, and I just may be wrong.
Here’s the article this came from on StackExchange:
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/401832/why-is-macos-often-referred-to-as-darwin
Swift, Webkit, Researchkit, Carekit, FoundationDB, CUPS, Darwin, LLVM and Clang, SwiftNIO, Turi Create, Homekit ADK,
Its one thing to be against a product but its essential to be well informed and not base our perceptions on biased informations.
I’m not familiar with all of them, but I know several of them are tools. Isn’t it in apple’s best interest to open source the tools if people use and improve them, and subsequently it means they get more money from the app store? And if these are the only things they open source, they still have a tight fist on the vast majority of their code base.
While on the subject of apple and FOSS. They may open source some tools, but do they give back to other projects? I.e. does apple push upstream? Substantially less than google and ms. And I would go so far to say almost never.
You’re diverging from the main subject from what is open source to what you find acceptable behaviour from a corporation, which i do not involve in.
Yup, that’s why I asked. I still hate Crapple and everything they stand for, but this is good data to start doing some in-depth research. Thanks.
Damn hating a product. You are damaged man.
Who says I am a man? Just kidding, I am. I do hate Apple, Google, Microsoft, Meta and every other company out there that operate business on a predatory model. Am I damaged? Absolutely, at so many levels it’s hard to count them. But that makes me just human, as you will find there is not 1 single human out there that is not damaged at some or other. On the brighter side, I am doing what I can to heal.
apple fanboys. yes. the take it or leave it apple types would likely have a decent exodus. non apple users would not like but would not matter.
I think the people who already really like Apple would be okay with it and find a million reasons to justify it. I don’t think that’s a good thing.
You got me at trust
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