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No data means you get the highest rates.

You can’t solve systemic problems without regulations.


I think you don’t understand the issue. The problem is not whether you can get around using Facebook in your life, the problem is whether people in general will get around using it. The numbers show they won’t, so they need to be regulated in order to protect free markets.


The point is, not everyone can. Some businesses only have Facebook pages as their online presence. The network effects, especially in the older generations, are still very strong.

The EU had to draw the line somewhere. Facebook is over that line with the amount of people still on there.


They aren’t attacking the business model, they are specifically attacking Facebook because it is distorting the market and destroying competition.

This isn’t exclusive to Facebook.

But this rule is all but exclusive to companies that are so big they are operating in a non-competitive market as defined by new EU regulations. Companies can still do it, Facebook and five others can’t. If your platform gets so big that people can’t find alternatives easily, you get on the list, and you can’t do that any more either.

Offering an ad free experience for a subscription fee is an extremely common practice. Do people really expect to be able to use an entertainment platform for free?

There is no requirement on Facebook to offer a free service. They can ask for as much money they want or not ask for money. They just can’t make data harvesting mandatory for any customers. This is not a judgment of the business model, this is just acknowledging that some platforms have become so big that you can’t live your life without them, so their interest to free commerce and self-determination is secondary to the basic right to privacy that all EU citizens have.


This is against the law, and not unlike a ransomware attack in severity and legality. Someone should go to jail over this.


What you’re saying is true, but in my book, a market is not free because of the lack of regulations.

Free markets are not stable things, and without regulation, they fail. Regulation keeps markets free. My definition of a free market is the econ 101 one, which is many competing companies, who all are individually unable to affect market prices. Not the weird ancap one, where we throw the reins in between the horses and let companies consolidate into a fascist dictatorship.


That whole sentiment only works in a monopolistic / oligopolic market. In a free market, competition would make companies sell better products. Only if there is no decent competition does enshittification work.


They are not seeking feedback between “I like it” and “I hate it”, they want feedback between “I tolerate it because I still feel locked in” and “that’s it I’m moving to a competitor”.



A lot of them are affiliated with the government of Ireland, which acts as a tax and legislatory haven for most of these companies in the EU. Only recently have member state data protection authorities started to bring cases forward, and IIRC Meta tried to argue itself out of a fine issued in Norway by saying that it needs to be fined in Ireland.


Will this not kill the whole venture? Isn’t the eyeball scanning one of the fundamentals of their “business model”?

The EU certainly has the means and will to fine this into the ground if they don’t comply.


To be fair to the rest of the world, European institutional organizations do not make any sense at all.



Sorry about that, I misunderstood your argument to mean “this game’s theme should be universally condemned by the general public” instead of “I personally condemn the theme of this game”.

I guess most games and media and art in general will seem wild to an audience that is viewing it through a different cultural lens. I’m still amazed C&C Generals got released as it did.


They do try to show the problems inherent in the US prison system. That said, there is a similar game about building a cult compound, which is also fun.

That said, how is this worse than the whole slew of games about US soldiers killing people across the world, almost always portrayed as the cool protagonists?


The EU is barely a government over the 480 million it represents. Where did you get the notion it’s a global government?



I guess it’s better than the UK for now, and there have been no attempted fascist coups for quite a few decades now. Even if we’re totally glass-half-empty, the EU is at least slamming on the brakes on the descent, while the UK is tearing their brakes off, and the US is deliberating whether using the brakes would hurt rich people.


In theory, they can’t share ad targeting data. That said, with the DMA they should not be able to share “data to effectively make you able to complete tasks”, that’s the point. Interoperability between Gmail and YouTube should equal the interoperability between Gmail and Peertube or somesuch.


Well, I’m one of today’s lucky 10000 I guess. Thanks!


I’m just leaving a comment here because if there is a positive answer to this, I also want to know. I think we’re just hosed as far as cars go.


An extreme (and hilarious) example of the power of hypertargeting was featured in AdWeek last year, when a marketing pro targeted his roommate with ads so specific the poor guy thought he was being cyberstalked.

Yeah, it’s hilarious, not at all depressing. I’m laughing all the way to a fascist dictatorship.


There is some EU law about data portability. Also, the legislative stance they have taken recently is that if you build a de facto monopoly, additional laws apply to you that don’t apply to companies in real competitive markets. Like the fact that WhatsApp has to provide a public API so you can send and receive messages to/from their platform from outside their walled garden, but Signal for example doesn’t have to do the same.

Wouldn’t be surprised if something like this passed in the EU in the near future.


I’d guess the RPI part would be the bigger issue.


Can they just move the assets out to some random far-away jurisdiction? Say “we collect the data, but we actually sell it to this company in Panama and they have it, so we can’t give it to you”.


But the jobs! And the growth! The stocks! 401k!

Why is no one thinking about the Line? /s


This sentence kinda highlights how outlandishly dystopic the whole thing is.


I love the fact that firing me what the person you’re answering mentioned is illegal here.

Peace of mind.


And you would still get caught on the company device trusting company CAs, thus enabling them to decrypt all your traffic.

Use a personal device on a personal network for personal stuff.




Just wait until it’s not technically mandatory, but you can’t do your taxes, find a job or participate in society without beaming ads straight to your brain.


Not yet, this is what this change enables. This is just starting now.


No, it is a problem for all browsers, present and future, period.

The point is that major websites, even government ones might decide to be only available on Chrome.


Mostly these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Meta_Platforms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Amazon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Apple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Alphabet

This is a non-exhaustive list of around 500 corporations that could be selling services on their own, that could compete in the same market these four are in. This is what you could “vote with your wallet” for.

Point is, every time a product gets traction in a market where big companies desire dominance, they get bought up or priced out. These companies don’t operate in a functioning market.


Man, we just had a scandal about Facebook tracking on the IRS website. You don’t need TV to live your life, but you definitely need to file your taxes and do stuff on the Internet to live a happy life.

“Vote with your wallet” is neoliberal bullshit. Just check recent FAANG acquisitions to verify that.


Since this is something that can be used as a DRM solution, hacking it might be already illegal under the DMCA. IANAL though.


I think the level of government capture in the US is unique. The EU is kinda balanced, as many good things as bad in this regard, while the authoritarian part of the world is definitely not corporate controlled.