And since you won’t be able to modify web pages, it will also mean the end of customization, either for looks (ie. DarkReader, Stylus), conveniance (ie. Tampermonkey) or accessibility.
The community feedback is… interesting to say the least.
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https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/1053698 - case develops.
I ditched Chrome about a year ago for Edge and just recently switched to Firefox, shouldn’t really be concerning as long as there are alternatives.
This is a bad thing. Google could easily make it so you can’t use any of their services like YouTube and Gmail without using their browser.
I believe that even in the current state of affairs they’d be hit with an anti-trust lawsuit if they do that – plenty of companies who would enjoy hurting Google.
What they can do, however, is make their services run slower on other browsers, as they’re already doing.
Or take the “agnostic platform” approach and provide incentives for creators and the tools to limit access based on this.
web env. integrity is not as bad as people make it out to be.
yeah I absolutely agree that it’s terrible and also a bad idea (we don’t need MORE drm in our browsers, I’m looking at you, Widevine (although firefox worked around it by running drm in an isolated container)), but it’s main purpose is to detect automated requests and effectively block web scraping with a drm system (it ensures two things: your useragent can be trusted and you’re a real non-automated user), NOT detect ad blockers. It doesn’t prevent web pages from being modified like some people are saying.
there’s a lot of misleading information about the api as it doesn’t “verify integrity” of the web page/DOM itself.
it works by creating a token that a server can verify, for example when a user creates a new post. If the token is invalid, server may reject your attempt to do an action you’re trying to perform. (this will probably just lead to a forced captcha in browsers that don’t support it…)
Also, here’s a solution: Just don’t use Chrome or any Chromium-based browsers.
What’s wrong with webscraping, besides the fact that you can’t charge for it?
The proposal doesn’t say what the interface between the browser and the OS / hardware is. They mention (but don’t elaborate on) modified browsers. Google’s track record includes:
So if Google can make it so you can’t run your own OS, and their OS won’t let you run your own browser (and BTW Microsoft and Apple are on a similar journey), and their browser won’t let you run an adblocker, where does that leave us?
It creates a ratchet effect where Google, Apple, and Microsoft can compete with each other, and the Internet is usable from their browsers running unmodified systems sold by them or their favoured vendors, but any other option becomes impractical as a daily driver, and they can effectively stack things against there ever being a new operating system / distro to compete with them, by making their web properties unusable and promoting that as the standard. This is a massive distortion of the open web from where it is now.
A regulation that if hardware has private or secret keys embedded into it, hardware manufacturers must provide the end user with those keys; and that if they have unchangeable public keys embedded and require that software be signed with that to boot or access some hardware, manufacturers must provide the private keys to end users. If that was the law in a few states that are big enough that manufacturers won’t just ignore them, it would shut down this sort of scheme.
Companies like google should really not have so much power. I have stopped using chrome 1 year ago, and i am thinking about switching to a browser that doesn´t use chromium.
I made the switch a couple of years back from regular Chrome to Librewolf. I have for the most part been very happy, and was actually surprised at how well it worked despite the privacy measures implemented.
Nows a pretty good time to do it. I think once you switch you’ll realize that it’s actually not that different
I switched to Firefox years ago and don’t regret it. There are some sites that don’t play nice with FF, but for the most part it works better than chrome.
And it’s 100% not firefox’s fault that some sites don’t work on it. It’s the fault of google coming up with propietary shit and lazy devs not bothering to test and optimize it for Firefox.
If they overcome / disable ad blocking, they will lose browser market share - and people don’t design websites for marginal browsers with exotic features.
You underestimate the massive avarage userbase who doesn’t even know what an adblocker is.
You will be surprised by how many people don’t know that blocking ads is even a thing
What about redirecting ad servers to 127.0.0.1 would that still work?
Vendor could your computer to proveably assert that it didn’t have the capability to do so or in fact the capability to do anything because you aren’t able to root it.
Likely not. If the page isn’t going to render as intended, the site could revoke access.
I literally swapped to Librewolf before the Rossman video was done. I was on Brave Browser before, but it’s based on Chromium. Fuck Chromium and fuck Google. Fuck this shitty amoeba that tries to spread into and control everything.
I will post stupid shit on my federated forum and you will fucking live with it Google. Fuck you. Burn. It’s time to break up the internet monopolies and do some trust busting. Someone pull FDR’s rotten corpse out of the grave and put it back to work.
Wait till they DRM DNS.
I do have some concerns over DoH for this reason. Centralizing it gives it more value to be extracted once it becomes THE standard.
Mind you from a tech stand point DoQ is just awesome on paper, I just wish it was more decentralized.
Teddy was the trust buster. They hated him too.
https://www.ushistory.org/us/43b.asp
Then dig his corpse up too and give it cybernetic augmentations with which to kill its enemies
This comment is hilarious: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/51
We should harass the fuck out of this guy until he removes it. This shit is completely uncalled for.
This is exactly the kind of thing that demostrates why DRM shouldn’t be part of the web standards. It’s very existence is abuse and this use even more so.
DRM needs to be illegal.
I feel that rather than DRM being illegal, Google and Chromium browsers having monopoly on the web is what allows these crazy ideas to have any room.
If the browser market was more evenly spread and there were more parties involved, these ideas woldn’t fly so easily.
The push/money/dark-force behind this was more Disney and co. Tech only really cared about killing Flash and all the other extensions used to do DRM. If DRM wasn’t allowed in the first place, none of would have existed.
Laws are written by the rich. Want to stop things like this, eat the rich.
Laws are written by the rich when democracy is dysfunctional.
Democracy is an illusion, especially in places like the US. There are so many abstraction layers that even if you “win” you are really poorly represented.
“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
That’s if you have a democracy that even remotely works. Which in the US does not. Hell, it’s fragile even in most EU countries.
FPTP is inherently less stable that other voting systems. The more parties involved having to compromise, the more stable. Two parties ends up with red vs blue. Literally. And it’s terrible.
I think we in the UK will escape it before the US.
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I’m using a VPN right now and Google keeps doing the captcha request thing and loops as if it’s broken. Never had this problem before.
Try other search engines like duckdzckgo. I pretty much replaced google and I’m only using it here and there when the search results are not adequate
This means the IP you got from the VPN has been flagged for abuse. Likely bots, DDOS, or other negative activity, from before you got the IP.
It can also happen if google can’t obtain/verify an id with their normal means (e.g. ip + browser type/settings + cookies + …).
I get challenged all the time and I’ve been on the same static consumer ip, but I go through some precautions to make it more difficult to id me (dump all browser state on restart, disable js except for trusted sources, ad blocker plugin, privacy conscious browser + settings, etc.). I still use a vpn in certain scenarios, but still get captchas either way.
I get these almost every time when behind mullvad.
That happens sometimes. Just have to pick another server.
I hate the fact that one of the biggest and richest corporations in the world, is just a massive ad spamming dumpster fire. Imagine the good a powerful company like this could do, if 90% of their effort wasn’t put into cramming ever more ads into people’s eyeballs.
to me, that’s one of the biggest tragedies of our time. there are several catastrophic problems to be fixed worldwide and yet we send some of our most brilliant engineers to silicon valley to work on advertising companies
They just make me think of the part of ready player one where the douchebag corporate dude is talking about how much of the VR display they can make adspace before people have seizures…
That’s not how capitalism works.
Something like 80% of Google’s revenue is from ads, even with that 30% cut they get from everything on their app store. So their core existence deeply conflicts with a free and open web. And it’s particularly unsettling because their web browser dominates the market, so they have the leverage to force us into their vision of the future. And this domination would be very difficult to counter. It’s the default browser on Android phones, and it is constantly flogged on Google.com, which is one of the most popular web portals in the world.
They wouldn’t be among the biggest and richest corporations in the world if that was the case.
Welcome to capitalism. Where the rules are made up and everything is an advertisement.
Well they are a big company because they are a’ ad company
“Privacy considerations: Todo”
https://rupertbenwiser.github.io/Web-Environment-Integrity/#privacy
Same for “Security Considerations” lmao
https://rupertbenwiser.github.io/Web-Environment-Integrity/#security
I hate the fact that one of the biggest and richest corporations in the world, is just a massive ad spamming dumpster fire. Imagine the good a powerful company like this could do, if 90% of their effort wasn’t put into cramming ever more ads into people’s eyeballs.