After its CEO was arrested last summer, Telegram has been increasingly sharing user data at the request of authorities.
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In my country it was never seen as anything else than a disinformation platform for Russian shills and rich “famous” people posting shit about invermicin and corona.
Sinal, Threema for security. WhatsApp/Wechat for Family. Telegram… for family you don’t want but sadly have.
And where I am at, Telegram is just the main social network nowadays. VKontakte became unusable garbage even for an average person, Facebook never gained traction in the first place, Instagram and Tiktok are not that suitable for communities, Whatsapp is purely a messenger - and Telegram appeals to everyone, being a hybrid of a social media and messenger. So, while I was able to avoid Whatsapp, Telegram is actually hard to leave. Unuversity, art meetups, education channels - all there. I did get a few people to use encrypted messaging with me, but most don’t care about privacy because Telegram is convenient and everyone is on there.
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Telegram used to be so darn satisfying to use years ago, but as soon as they started peddling a crypto"currency" it all went downhill. Deleted my account a month ago.
Glad I’ve never used it.
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Why wouldn’t it? They had all the data in plaintext, they just chose not to cooperate. This was the only possible outcome.
Just remember Telegram also shared Taiwan user data do China during the protests.
This will continue to happen until someone bigger than the US gov steps up to bat and drops feds on their asses in a pile when they try to arrest them. The day is coming, I’m looking forward to the news reports of federal officers being carried unconscious onto either a grassy area, or just a pile in front of the building, and being told if they try again they die. I want to see feds crying like the little bitches they are…
Dafuq?
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Well let this be a lesson that encrypted messaging hosted on corporate servers is only encrypted as long as the authorities allow it.
Also criminals gonna get in trouble.
It never was encrypted. If it was they wouldn’t have anything to turn over.
This is false. There is still plenty of metadata that centralized providers can capture and turn over and that is usually sufficient for law-enforcement to get the information they want.
Right, WhatsApp is encrypted but not private at all. Reason? Metadatas, says as much as the message
This is false. They cannot turn over any type of data that is encrypted. Metadata or otherwise. That’s the point of encryption.
Except that most of the metadata isn’t encrypted anywhere and usually also can’t be encrypted as otherwise the service wouldn’t be able to function.
Plenty of services encrypt metadata. You need to do more research.
You seem to be highly misinformed what metadata is. A server for example will always have access to unencrypted IP addresses from the clients connecting to it, this is impossible to avoid unless you use a service like Tor that relays internet traffic, but that has very little to do with “encryption”.
Another thing a server can easily access is the timestamp of messages. Even if that is somehow stored encrypted in the server, messages are sent in real time and the server can easily log those, so an e2e encryption chat service will at the very least have logs with IP and timestamps. This can’t really be avoided.
And even with Tor, if the person didn’t compartmentalize their conversations into different identities, they’d have the pseudonymous graph.
According to signal facts all the have is your phone number and and the date you signed up for the service and the last day you connected to the server. IP address are not logged or stored the do t have access to it and signal has said this everytime the get a warrent for user data. So yes it is possible to have a secure service that doesn’t collect IP addresses but yes the do have some limited data so you are correct.
Telegram isn’t encrypted. There’s an option but nobody uses it and doesn’t work in group chats.