Based on the small overall amount of votes here, a similarly small amount of votes on Matrix, the large amount of people who voted on Discord and the large margin by which the name VoxeLibre won the voting on Discord, as well as the heated discussion that followed the survey on private dev chats...
The new name of this project will be
# VoxeLibre
yeah I wanted to try out minetest but the fact that every single mod that exists for it is in the aur pissed me off cause I dont want to parse through 50 mod names to find the binaries and base data
You seem to not like the name or the things we do. Maybe tell us more about what you like…
We had the poll on Matrix also which is FOSS, and our issue tracker built on Gitea. The minetest forums are notoriously sluggish and many there don’t play VoxeLibre. We reached out to players in all areas. The fact remains that 80%+ of our players choose discord and ignoring them is not a helpful. A lot of people do not check the forum frequently, and that policy would be exclusionary and unjustifiably dogmatic.
We make extra efforts to reach out to our members in FOSS communities and do more than most to keep away from non-free software like Github and keep our channels bridged to matrix.
I can assure you the effort is non trivial and takes away from actually writing open source software. Very recently it lost all the data and we had to manually bridge 15+ channels again when I had waay too much other stuff going on. Many projects abandon these bridges because they are unreliable.
You seem to not like the name or the things we do. Maybe tell us more about what you like…
I’m a programmer, so by nature I am bad at naming things 😄
I just know what names I don't like ...
For Minetest game names I came up with personal “rules”
Don’t name it anything with “test” or “mine” in the name
Don’t name it after a game item or a game mechanic
Make the name googleable
Make it easy and unambigous to say
We had the poll on Matrix also which is FOSS, and our issue tracker built on Gitea. […] The fact remains that 80%+ of our players choose discord
Gitea is corporate-owned nonfree software. (There was a hostile takeover of the project, they also changed to a non-free open core release and made mandatory to remove all copyright headers from changed or newly added files.)
For the Discord debacle: Maybe make it an unrecommended channel and endorse people to use Matrix instead. Everyone who cares even a little bit should not explicitly or implicitly suggest using closed-source or corporate-owned software.
But I guess that’s a topic for another discussion …
Very aware about Gitea, and unfortunately when we tried to migrate to Forgejo on Codeberg, the migration script got stuck in a repeating loop. Apparently it’s a known issue and we got very little help with this so unless we abandon all our issues including 850+ open ones, we’re in a bit of a pickle.
The new name followed those rules.It’s voxel and libre, sharing an L. Only debate is about how people pronounce Libre, and we ain’t that precious.
I would love everyone to use Matrix. I created the space and maintained it. We are now up to around 45 users ish. Discord has over 500. In gaming, it just operates at a different scale.
I’m as much of a FOSS enthusiast as you, but when you run big projects, you have to represent more than just your own personal view. You represent your players and contributors. Now and in the future. If you want new FOSS users, you have to reach them where they are. Best way to further FOSS software is to get new people using it. With over 350k downloads. I think we’re doing a pretty neat job.
It’s tempting to think your views are right and everyone else is wrong, but it’s no basis to be functional and collaborative. Are you running any large FOSS communities? Want to share info on how you’ve done these things and how effective it was?
The new name followed those rules.It’s voxel and libre, sharing an L.
Is it Voxe-Libre, Voxel-ibre (not everyone knows that “libre” is a word), or Voxel-Libre, or something else? This is not clear at all for every language that is not English. “Voxe(l)” is also, to a certain extend, a game mechanic. It would be like naming a game using a polygon based engine PolygonRandomame :)
But Since the name change already made it into international news it cannot be changed anymore without causing mor disturbance. People will get used to it like they got used to “Minetest” (which is an absolute stupid name that was never meant to be permanent).
As for the Forgejo issue, have you started a discussion here? You also shouldn’t need a script, because Forgejo can clone from Gitea, including issues if an access token was provided.
It does for me. It’s a portmanteau of voxel and libre wit the last l of the first word and first l of the 2nd word shared. If you don’t pause at the caps and just roll straight through. It rolls just fine and is rather clever.
I’ve not heard it pronounced, but it seems some here are verbalizing it as lee-bruh. In my head it’s always been lee-bree which is just an awkward pair of syllables.
Because MineClone2 is a dreadful name, and unfortunately, when ever anyone tries to differ anything slightly, a head can be taken clean off. The project doesn’t want to be a full clone, but heavily inspired by, but with it’s own direction. It needed to go.
yeah I wanted to try out minetest but the fact that every single mod that exists for it is in the aur pissed me off cause I dont want to parse through 50 mod names to find the binaries and base data
Don’t really roll off the tongue does it?
It really doesn’t, yeah. But the vocal minority decided.
It was done by a poll on Discord, Matrix, and our issue tracker. I think over 120 votes were cast. It was a polling majority…
Why have a poll on a proprietary closed-source software, though? Why not exclusively in the MT forums where the most users are?
You seem to not like the name or the things we do. Maybe tell us more about what you like…
We had the poll on Matrix also which is FOSS, and our issue tracker built on Gitea. The minetest forums are notoriously sluggish and many there don’t play VoxeLibre. We reached out to players in all areas. The fact remains that 80%+ of our players choose discord and ignoring them is not a helpful. A lot of people do not check the forum frequently, and that policy would be exclusionary and unjustifiably dogmatic.
We make extra efforts to reach out to our members in FOSS communities and do more than most to keep away from non-free software like Github and keep our channels bridged to matrix.
I can assure you the effort is non trivial and takes away from actually writing open source software. Very recently it lost all the data and we had to manually bridge 15+ channels again when I had waay too much other stuff going on. Many projects abandon these bridges because they are unreliable.
I’m a programmer, so by nature I am bad at naming things 😄
I just know what names I don't like ...
For Minetest game names I came up with personal “rules”
Gitea is corporate-owned nonfree software. (There was a hostile takeover of the project, they also changed to a non-free open core release and made mandatory to remove all copyright headers from changed or newly added files.)
For the Discord debacle: Maybe make it an unrecommended channel and endorse people to use Matrix instead. Everyone who cares even a little bit should not explicitly or implicitly suggest using closed-source or corporate-owned software.
But I guess that’s a topic for another discussion …
Very aware about Gitea, and unfortunately when we tried to migrate to Forgejo on Codeberg, the migration script got stuck in a repeating loop. Apparently it’s a known issue and we got very little help with this so unless we abandon all our issues including 850+ open ones, we’re in a bit of a pickle.
The new name followed those rules.It’s voxel and libre, sharing an L. Only debate is about how people pronounce Libre, and we ain’t that precious.
I would love everyone to use Matrix. I created the space and maintained it. We are now up to around 45 users ish. Discord has over 500. In gaming, it just operates at a different scale.
I’m as much of a FOSS enthusiast as you, but when you run big projects, you have to represent more than just your own personal view. You represent your players and contributors. Now and in the future. If you want new FOSS users, you have to reach them where they are. Best way to further FOSS software is to get new people using it. With over 350k downloads. I think we’re doing a pretty neat job.
It’s tempting to think your views are right and everyone else is wrong, but it’s no basis to be functional and collaborative. Are you running any large FOSS communities? Want to share info on how you’ve done these things and how effective it was?
Semi off-topic naming discussion 🙃
Is it Voxe-Libre, Voxel-ibre (not everyone knows that “libre” is a word), or Voxel-Libre, or something else? This is not clear at all for every language that is not English. “Voxe(l)” is also, to a certain extend, a game mechanic. It would be like naming a game using a polygon based engine PolygonRandomame :)
But Since the name change already made it into international news it cannot be changed anymore without causing mor disturbance. People will get used to it like they got used to “Minetest” (which is an absolute stupid name that was never meant to be permanent).
As for the Forgejo issue, have you started a discussion here? You also shouldn’t need a script, because Forgejo can clone from Gitea, including issues if an access token was provided.
https://codeberg.org/repo/migrate?service_type=3&org=&mirror=
It does for me. It’s a portmanteau of voxel and libre wit the last l of the first word and first l of the 2nd word shared. If you don’t pause at the caps and just roll straight through. It rolls just fine and is rather clever.
Vox-libre
I think Libre in general is an awkward sound for me
Why? Most people’s last names are more cumbersome.
I’ve not heard it pronounced, but it seems some here are verbalizing it as lee-bruh. In my head it’s always been lee-bree which is just an awkward pair of syllables.
Lee-bruh. I don’t really see a problem.
This is how I always sounded it in my head. Issue is, it sounds exactly like “libra”
Depends really. I say it this way, but talked to a Spanish speaker who said it was Lee-bree.
In Spanish it would be lee-bray
As a Spanish speaker, this makes me uncomfortable. Not saying you’re wrong, just… English is weird
Maybe I got this wrong, how would you pronounce it?
vox-el-lee-bruh
You’re still saying the L twice.
voxe-lee-bruh
I see. Yes, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Why did they want a new name?
Because MineClone2 is a dreadful name, and unfortunately, when ever anyone tries to differ anything slightly, a head can be taken clean off. The project doesn’t want to be a full clone, but heavily inspired by, but with it’s own direction. It needed to go.
Might be to reduce risk of legal action by Microsoft (not that they’d have a legal leg to stand on, but that doesn’t seem to matter these days)
Submits a photocopy of someone’s homework to the teacher
You can copy my homework but don’t make it obvious… MineClone