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cape.coThere is this carrier I stumbled upon called Cape, calls itself America’s privacy first carrier.
It claims to offer privacy and security and to only store necessary information.
We don’t collect your name, social security number, address, or other personal information. Any data we do receive (like call logs) is deleted after 60 days.
We secure your account against SIM swaps—attacks to steal your phone number and access your accounts—with modern cryptography protocols.
Our proprietary signaling protection blocks attempts by bad actors to intercept calls and SMS via outdated signaling protocols like SS7.
Voicemails can hold sensitive information like 2FA codes. Cape encrypts your voicemails so only you have access to them.
We don’t collect your name or billing address at checkout, and Cape never sees your credit card details.
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They are also partnered with Proton
Here is a detailed list of what data they collect
They are currently offering a $1.50 trial for one month.
The CEO, John Doyle, was a communications specialist in the U.S. Army and worked for Palantir.
Thoughts?
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Never heard of it but I’m definitely curious especially when it states: “This website doesn’t use cookies.” I bookmarked your post; thank you for sharing.
pretty sure calyx has somthing simmilar and id trust them more https://calyxinstitute.org/membership/internet
I like what they’re doing in terms of the anonymity when signing up, but 100/month is kinda high. Maybe in the future when they release cheaper plans (ie no unlimited internet call/text) and they get subpoenad a couple times I’ll switch over
Overall pretty cool
They’re blocking my VPN connection… I’ve already got problems with this lol.
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Major difference, as this is a carrier.
Why do we need a Sim and number , its just a way for government to keep control and manipulate.
Time to promote a simless future.✊
Also the IMEI irrevocably attached to every cellular modem. Can’t rotate it like a MAC address either without breaking a law or two.
They have a special option called Obscura but it is only available via contact
how do esims work? can I transfer it between devices in seconds?
why does their website require javascript?
You can go on the site without javascript, but it breaks the UI
Yeah I wouldn’t put my dick in that.
There is perhaps an opportunity there. You can’t be sure that they won’t collect location information or information off your phone. But if you took precautions to make sure you were anonymous when you purchased the stuff, and the device you are using was divorced from you entirely, you just have to make sure you never ever turn it on at home. Getting a working phone number/sim without an SSN/address identification isn’t nothing.
I don’t trust that stripe wouldn’t out you. So you’d need to protect your payment info.
I don’t trust that they won’t locate you or log your communication or handle your communication or location in a way that could be tracked by a powerful third party.
That said, 99 bucks a month is pretty expensive to get an unidentified sim from a company you can’t necessarily trust.
I’m not judging them on their claims, but their cost compared to other MVNOs is insane. The extra features they add do not seem worth the $99 they want to charge.
Only because you are the product with the others, pr your information anyway. Without selling that info, they need to do a lot to make up the lost profit. Assuming this is real and not just a sting op or something.
Sadly privacy is costly. It’s the only option compared to the others
Major anom vibes.
lol i didn’t think of that. it’s so true.
At least where I live there are laws to collect this info. Is it not regulated in Murica?
This just dosent make ANY sense. Sim swaps are done via social engeneering.
If they wanted to be private, it would be Open source.
Since when do people send 2fa codes via voicemail? The fuck? Just use signal.
Me smell honey
Also, they DO collect your Credit card data. Not they themselves, but Stripe. So Stripe knows every detail about you.
See this for details. Their tech support people do not have the access necessary to move a line so there’s nobody to social engineer. Only the customer can start the process to move a line after cryptographic authentication using BIP-39.
I’m really tired of this trope in the privacy community. Open source does not mean private. Nobody is capable of reviewing the massive amount of code used by a modern system as complex as a phone operating system and cellular network. There’s no way to audit the network to know that it’s all running the reciewed open source code either.
There are many 2FA systems that offer to call your number so the system can tell you your 2FA code.
The part where I share your reaction to Cape is about identifying customers. This page goes into detail about these aspects, and it has a lot of things that are indeed better than any other carrier out there.
But it’s a long distance short of being private. They’re a “heavy MVNO”. This means their customers’ phones are still using other carriers’ cell towers, and those can still collect and log IMSI and device location information. Privacy researchers have demonstrated that it is quite easy to deanonymize someone with very little location information.
On top of that, every call or text goes to another device. If it goes through another core network, most call metadata is still collected, logged, and sold.
If we accept all of Cape’s claims, it’s significantly better than any other carrier I’m aware of, but it’s still far from what most people in this community would consider private.
The coverage is only in America, I guess it doesn’t need to be collected over there
They use Digital Signatures instead of usernames and passwords. Cape employees don’t port out numbers and only you can with a 24 word seedphrase you can read more about it here so I guess they are more secure compared to others.
This has to be a joke, what do you mean “just use signal” and “open source” ???
Stripe handles the actual card details, while Cape only receives the token, which cannot be mapped to your real credit card number. Stripe generates a token that is stored on cape’s systems to confirm a payment has been made. Cape does not store your credit card number. Cape does not associate tokens to subscribers
Good thing the founding financiers of Stripe, Cape, and Palantir aren’t the same person.
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I’d guess they would give the data to government agencies as it comes in through backdoors that most communication companies have these days. Likely they just don’t store the data for future requests and don’t have your data stored to sell. That’s about the only way I could see it working without them getting shut down.
But that’s assuming they’re being truthful at all. Only way to be confident would be if someone can trace the money used to make the company to see what their possible business plans are and wait and see. Based on the current government, I’d be more likely yo assume they’re actually just a government agency doing a sting operation for which they aren’t legally required to tell any truth at all, but time will tell.
It would be the first ever telecom honeypot. Even if it was a honeypot, nothing sufficient can be collected and it would not make sense to waste so much resources on an entire telecom company for no info. Just does not make sense
Don’t be paranoid whenever you stumble upon a privacy company because If everybody doesn’t trust a decent privacy focused company like you, the company will fall. You can’t just assume something is a honeypot because of small details.
The Patriot Act was sunset years ago, and even before that it had nothing to do with requiring companies to collect information.
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Looks interesting, but it’s the first time I’ve heard of them and I’m wary about the CEOs ties to palantir and the fact that its a US-based company. I’ll wait for others to do some deeper research into the company first.
Signal is also US-based and Cape is literally a carrier with coverage only in America. I found one of there employees that previously worked 9 years with DuckDuckGo and is now working with Cape.