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This is from Apple’s privacy policy
It seems to me like they collect telemetry just like Windows, and of course some Mac apps do have advertising which is personalized according to the beginning.
Apple has been doing extremely invasive telemetry tracking of your usage since before the release of Big Sur. Gee, I wonder where Microsoft got the idea to invasively gather all this telemetry from the user in the first place?
This is stuff they collect when you are interacting with Apple services. The problem with windows copilot is that it collects info about everything you do, even when it has nothing to do with Microsoft.
Since you are being vague, I am assuming you are saying thats it’s only exclusive to Apple-made stuff.
You don’t know that, and can’t say bullshit like this as if you are an authority on this subject working at Apple.
Please provide sources for your claims.
His source is your quote, they specify it in their verbiage right there.
That’s crazy because Apple is ALSO collecting telemetry at all times just like Copilot is, but Apple has brainwashed too many idiots with their master-level marketing that everyone comes running to hypocritically defend Apple doing what Microsoft does, despite the fact that Apple has been doing this years before Microsoft had the capability or appetite to do the same thing.
Does “our other products and services” not include macOS? I mean, you don’t stop interacting with their product when you open other programs. You’re using their product as a means of accessing them.
Anonymised telemetry is different from collecting information to sell for marketing, though.
Of course, in the realm of privacy, everyone should know their own threat model. Anonymised telemetry is not a threat to me. But if it’s a threat to you (nebulous term — the person to whom I am replying, or anyone reading), then none of the big tech companies offer viable alternatives. You (same audience) cannot say Apple’s telemetry is a problem and then use anything from Microsoft, Google, or Meta.
For my threat model, Meta/Facebook has always been a bridge too far. Google has too, for the most part. I used to think Microsoft was fine, but no longer do. But, that’s just me.
There’s basically no such thing as anonymized telemetry. The data provided is so rich, it is inherently identifying.
Wasn’t the point of Apple always that they don’t sell the data to third parties and not that they don’t collect anything?
No advertising company really sells data to third parties. Keeping data to yourself and only selling advertising spots is what brings money. Companies generally don’t like strengthening their competition.
That’s marketing bullshit that you fell for hook, line, and sinker.
I don’t think people’s concern is that Microsoft is selling data, but that it is collecting it to began with. So for those people Apple wouldn’t be any better for PC use, since they are more likely to just be tired of pushing of account logins and data collection for desktop OS.
Point of Apple seemed more to me people liking the aesthics and performance of MacOS itself than seeing it as a privacy respecting OS.