There have been very very bad experiences with Daniel Mikay, the former (?) lead dev of GrapheneOS.
GrapheneOS is an awesome project. It doesnt suit everyone, as it only focuses on security, doesnt add many LineageOS features, ships no Appstore preinstalled and pretty much promotes hunting down your APKs from Git* releases, doesnt work with microG, …
But its a really valuable piece of software, extremely critical for the opensource community, as its really the only degoogled and secure Android there is.
Now I am close to ditching it… again… as I am pissed off by “the community”, or more these/this weird anonymous people/individual identifying as “GrapheneOS” on their self-controlled Matrix server.
Background
Not wanna cry here, but giving the scenery:
I went into their room and discussed a bit. Points where pretty much:
- Android is a deviation of Linux with its own Kernel and way different release numbers
- it sucks being dependend on a big Corp for their Android Desktop, as there simply is on Custom ROM creating a different one
- Linux is awesome, as it is so free. Android immutable model could totally work with more customizability like desktops, and still be secure.
What happened? I got perma-banned for “doubling down on spreading misinformation”.
Prior I went into a Private chat with this “GrapheneOS” person, and asked what exactly where the points where I spreaded misinformation. They said “Android is Linux. You have no idea what you are talking about but think you do. You cant spread misinformation in our community anymore.”
After these messages and still no explanations, they left the private chat and blocked be from rejoining.
Wow. This is what a self-run server can also look like it seems.
Well, I guess I will be switching to Calyx or DivestOS soon, if I have no community to discuss in.
I would be happy if some critical voices could join the server and do some constructive discussions. Right now its a forced echo chamber.
PS: If that was you Daniel, please just take a pause. You did some great work but personally you act extremely toxic. This is not how to talk to people.
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These discussions are worthless, because of the complexly with Linux kernels. Saying android is Linux is the same as saying macOS or iOS are Linux. They only have in common to be a kernel driven Unix system. Stop there and be good, the only other mentionable opposite is DOS.
I run gOS and be good with it but I don’t follow all of their thoughts. Security and privacy are two different things. gOS follows the security rabbit hole. Doing more for privacy is in the users hand. This is better than ROM who build their ecosystem the other way around.
Technically Apple is BSD not Linux if we’re going that way
Small nitpick: Mac OS is BSD
And BSD isn’t Unix?
BSD is Unix. Linux is Linux.
BSD and Linux are Posix compliant. They run different kernels, so they are different operating systems.
Linux is not Unix, it’s unix-like.