Proton is transitioning towards a non-profit structure | Proton
proton.meTo ensure our mission always comes first, Proton is transitioning to a non-profit structure and formalizing our promise of people before profits.
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Non-profit and all this stuff is nice, but where is the dark secret?
No dark secret, Proton products are OpenSource, made by cientifics of the CERN in Swiss. They make its incommings with the premium products, serving the free ones without ads and trackings or loggings.
Makes me even more suspicious, I have to comprehend this.
More suspicious than an American commercial company offering the services? Proton is not a commercial company, they really do not need to make money with their services, all they charge you is the use of servers and hosts based on a certain amount of data that you claim, in the VPN they are one of the few that offer you a use of unlimited data with a more than acceptable speed in the free version, without ads, logs and military-level encryption, the only thing is a limited number of countries in the free version (23 server in three countries).
The same with Mail or the cloud service, where space is naturally limited in the free account, but privacy is the same as in the premium account at a very high level. If you don’t trust it, you are also free to host the services yourself, since they are all OpenSource.
Sounds like a gigantic honeypot. To good to be true, it can’t be that I finally found someone I can trust, or can it?
You can, every product of a company which are not profit centered apart being OpenSource, by definition is way more trustworth than proprietary soft of big US companies. Proton services made it’s fame because of its known reliability since a lot of years.
As if Gmail or Outlook were any better?
I’m pretty sure they were being sarcastic.
Protonmail, their flagship product, actually treats 99.9% of emails in clear-text. You can’t have end-to-end encryption if the other person at the end doesn’t support it. There have been (unverified) rumors that Proton could be a giant honeypot. They did help authorities in the past. Maybe we will understand better who they are in the future
Proton serves privacy, not anonymity. They will not collect, harvest, analyse or sell your data. If you however use their services for illegal things they will forward whatever - usually little - unencrypted information they have about you.
I’m surprised people would expect them to behave differently. Do they expect Proton to not comply with lawful warrants?
They did cooperate with authorities, but they also took their time in disclosures to explain precisely what the user did wrong, and how you can avoid making the same mistakes. At the end of the day, Proton only has the information you provide them. And if you don’t encrypt your stuff, it’s not safe.
For profit companies are horribly inefficient and there’s better ways to organize human labour, despite capitalist propaganda.