But what Durov revealed next pulled the lens even wider.
What happened in France, he said, is part of a larger pattern: governments exploiting legal systems to weaken privacy protections—and it’s even more extreme in the United States.
“You know what’s interesting, in the U.S., you have a process that allows the government to actually force any engineer in any tech company to implement a back door and not tell anyone about it.”
“Using this process called the gag-order, you know there are certain legal procedures.”
Carlson was stunned.
“Not tell his own employer about it?”
“Yes, exactly. If you tell your own boss, you can end up in jail. Like, gag order.”
“Actually?!”
“Yeah.”
Carlson pressed further.
“So your employees have a legal obligation to act as fifth column spies? Saboteurs against you, your employees?”
Durov didn’t hesitate.
“That’s one of the reasons I didn’t move to the U.S. with my team.”
To Durov, it’s not just a legal battle—it’s a warning.
What happened to him could happen to anyone building technology that puts privacy over power.
France may have kicked it off, but the real fight, he said, is global.
This article you guys are getting worked up about is just silly. Telegram is obvious cop shit, but like most “cybersecurity” analysis, this only treats enemies of the US as a threat. Imagine if we gave any real weight to this kind of association with US, Europe, or Israeli intelligence. They’re the actual pioneers of spying technology for the past 70 years.
If liberals refuse to say water is wet, eventually the Nazis will be trotting it out like they came up with it. Doesn’t really help anyone to deny that intelligence collaboration with USA bloc is mandatory for tech companies.
Does Carlson, who wanted to join the CIA and supported all kinds of neoconservatives throughout his career, really pose any challenge to this? No, he is just going to inoculate Trump supporters from the information being used against the right, which paints itself as “against the New World Order”. Fascism has done this since its inception, such as with Mussolini and others posing as anticapitalist critics as part of their eclectic strategy to gain support while out of power.
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https://www.occrp.org/en/investigation/telegram-the-fsb-and-the-man-in-the-middle
fuck this lying piece of shit
This article you guys are getting worked up about is just silly. Telegram is obvious cop shit, but like most “cybersecurity” analysis, this only treats enemies of the US as a threat. Imagine if we gave any real weight to this kind of association with US, Europe, or Israeli intelligence. They’re the actual pioneers of spying technology for the past 70 years.
hmm, so someone with bad reputation has a router in the server room allowing them to track the whole path of any message on Telegram ?
Ah yes, Pavel Durov, Tucker Carlson and “Vigilant Fox” the holy triumvirate of Good Information.
If liberals refuse to say water is wet, eventually the Nazis will be trotting it out like they came up with it. Doesn’t really help anyone to deny that intelligence collaboration with USA bloc is mandatory for tech companies.
Does Carlson, who wanted to join the CIA and supported all kinds of neoconservatives throughout his career, really pose any challenge to this? No, he is just going to inoculate Trump supporters from the information being used against the right, which paints itself as “against the New World Order”. Fascism has done this since its inception, such as with Mussolini and others posing as anticapitalist critics as part of their eclectic strategy to gain support while out of power.