In an unexpected mask off “secure” email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton’s services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let’s collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇
Always try to provide:
-Server location (jurisdiction)
-Governance
-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency
-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)
-Pricing and links
If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.
#ProtonExodus
Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116
Edit:typo
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Your analogy/ example is fucked up and beyond stupid. Protonmail is hosted by the organization. Linus has no access to the Linux systems in the world. Also, thousands have contributed to the Linux ecosystem.
I agree that my analogy is fucked up and a little stupid, but I was just applying OPs logic: Andy Yen doesn’t do any more for Proton than Linus Torvalds does for Linux; they’re just stand in figures that people project their love or in this case hate onto. I doubt he personally wrote a single line of code for Proton. In that case Linus Torvalds is actually way more involved with Linux than Andy Yen is with Proton; Andy Yen might have more power over Proton but afaik and like you said Proton is owned in majority by its foundation, which I hope does get a say in what they do.
How dare you find a tone to respond that makes me regret my original harsh choice of words a little? :P Still - my point was that no matter how much Torvals is involved, the linux ecosystem isn’t under his control, while proton services are very much under corporate control, and if their CEO decides to introduce a backdoor for american nazi services, that can happen.
Unlike some I’m not here to insult other people :)
Yeah you have a point there and I totally get how my comment was a bit shortsighted on that end, but I was just weirded out by the fact that a CEO’s political position is supposed to be indicative of the future actions/positions of a company. Sure it’s not entirely unlikely that it might affect the company in the future, but OPs post just felt a little like fearmongering to me.
Have you been following the news though? The 180 policy swings the moment it seemed good for business under a new administration in the divided states? Is it really so far-fetched to worry about a dipshit at the top of a company?
He directly profits from Proton subscriptions. As does the rest of the leadership which seem to back him on this.
A comparison between singing the praises for a modern proto-fascist movement and “secretly loving Windows” is… certainly something.
Yeah you’re right, I hadn’t considered that because I never paid a single cent for anything Proton, that’s a mistake on my part. Sometimes I forget capitalism is still a thing.
If that’s the takeaway you had from reading both of my comments then I honestly can’t help you, but I can try to spell out my intent a second time:
I deliberately chose Linus Torvalds because he’s basically Jesus of Lemmy but I didn’t expect to be called a fascist over a dumb analogy I used to show that OP might be overextrapolating a CEO’s standpoint onto a whole company. I agree that there is a not insignificant risk of this affecting the company, don’t get me wrong, but this post just feels like fearmongering.
I think you misread my comment. I didn’t call you a fascist, I simply called out two points where your comparison falls flat.
I secretly love your post.