In sharing this video here I’m preaching to the choir, but I do think it indirectly raised a valuable point which probably doesn’t get spoken about enough in privacy communities. That is, in choosing to use even a single product or service that is more privacy-respecting than the equivalent big tech alternative, you are showing that there is a demand for privacy and helping to keep these alternative projects alive so they can continue to improve. Digital privacy is slowly becoming more mainstream and viable because people like you are choosing to fight back instead of giving up.
The example I often think about in my life is email. I used to be a big Google fan back in the early 2010s and the concept of digital privacy wasn’t even on my radar. I loved my Gmail account and thought it was incredible that Google offered me this amazing service completely free of charge. However, as I became increasingly concerned about my digital privacy throughout the 2010s, I started looking for alternatives. In 2020 I opened an account with Proton Mail, which had launched all the way back in 2014. A big part of the reason it was available to me 6 years later as a mature service is because people who were clued into digital privacy way before me chose to support it instead of giving up and going back to Gmail. This is my attitude now towards a lot of privacy-respecting and FOSS projects: I choose to support them so that they have the best chance of surviving and improving to the point that the next wave of new privacy-minded people can consider them a viable alternative and make the switch.
A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
Some Rules
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
- Don’t promote proprietary software
- Try to keep things on topic
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
- Be nice :)
Related communities
Chat rooms
-
[Matrix/Element]Dead
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
- 0 users online
- 57 users / day
- 383 users / week
- 1.5K users / month
- 5.7K users / 6 months
- 1 subscriber
- 2.97K Posts
- 74.6K Comments
- Modlog
My experience is actually completely opposite. While mainstream “normies” don’t seem to care, most of them are using readily available privacy tools in their communication daily. Things like WhatsApp, Signal and iMessage. Most websites these days are HTTPS enabled. Governments are so concerned about this loss of monitoring capability, they’re trying to craft laws which allow them to backdoor devices before encryption happens. And they’re meeting resistance, despite all the lobbying (see Chat Control2.0). We’ve never had as widely adopted privacy tools as we have today.
Big tech and advertising are two problems that still create trouble. A lot of this stems from completely different, non-privacy related reasons (the lax US policies concerning anti-consumer and monopoly laws) but even here policies around the world are slowly catching up. GDPR gives Europeans quite a bit of control over our data and while this is still just one baby step - it’s much better than it used to be. There’s a lot of global inequality here though. Facebook/Meta is synonymous to Internet in the developing world, because they’ve used their monopoly money to exploit the situation. Digital imperialism is still strong.
I’m not going to harp too much on SMTP privacy, Proton has a bunch of nice services. If that’s where your MX happens to point at is, then great, but we do also need to slowly move away from these old protocols that offer no privacy choice (yeah I know, SMTP is here to stay).
What I’d like to see more, is talk about threat modeling in this space. Because that’s where it all starts and threat models are quite personal. There’s no “one size fits all” privacy, because our needs vary. Political dissident living in exile from hostile government has completely different needs for privacy compared to a person who doesn’t like YouTube ads. We should try to foster easily digestible discussion around personal threat modeling - right now we (the privacy crowd) come across as loonies since lot of the advice we give starts from the wrong end of the model.
I don’t see digital privacy as a pessimistic space. But what do I know, I’m not a content creator.
I notice you quoted the sentence from the description - did you watch the video itself? You are actually repeating a lot Eric’s points and are really in agreement with him. He mentions how privacy is becoming increasingly mainstream to the point that even his “normie” brother started using Brave without his knowledge or input, and he also has a section in there on threat modelling (he calls it the “privacy spectrum”) which he has made an entire video about in the past.
The “pessimistic” introduction is really just a setup for his positive counterargument. He’s not actually pessimistic about digital privacy as you seem to believe.
No, I’m afraid I didn’t.
At least you did a good job summarising it for everyone else!
Ah, well. Maybe that saves a click and 10 minutes of someones life.