I dunno, considering that Facebook data has been used to go after people, we’ve got fascists using every method possible to target their current hated group, and police everywhere ignoring or bypassing due process by just buying data, I don’t think it all paranoid to think that privacy concerns are already huge, and could get worse

Besides your list? Matrix via element or elementX. I’ve been test driving arcane chat, which is decent enough, but too new to be widely used enough to really say much.

I don’t disagree tbh.

However, in terms of ui/ux it is still the closest comparison that’s not wholly dominated by capital drives. Things like WhatsApp have better ui, but I don’t think anyone remotely interested in things like signal would use those at all if not forced to it.

Right now, matrix, arcane chat, xmpp, and similar options are better than signal under the hood (supposedly, I don’t have the knowledge base to verify for myself), but the ui is anywhere from outdated to outright horrible.

I’ve heard that from some code minded folks before though, so I don’t think you’re wrong. ElementX is better than regular element in that regard already. Been a while since I tried anything else since I only have one person that I communicate regularly with on there. Everyone else is more sporadic, so I haven’t had as much impetus to keep up on apps as much as I used to.

Yeah, it really sucks that the closest feature parity and ui/ux parity in messengers is proprietary services.

Even signal isn’t there. Mind you, they can’t offer all the same options by virtue of prioritizing encryption as the default, not afaik, with things like the easier syncing of messages.

I like matrix and it’s various apps fine overall, but they are definitely behind in polish and usability features. They just aren’t great as a primary messaging option. That’s ignoring the difficulty of onboarding people, which is tangential to this, but still relevant since it doesn’t matter how great a messenger is if you can’t use it with anyone. Since the lack of features and ui/ux issues prevent onboarding, it’s a real problem.

Everything is a balancing act. Privacy, anonymity, and security aren’t the same things. They’re sometimes, and in some aspects always, difficult to achieve without compromising one of the other two.

When you add in the goal of quick, easy setup to make the service useful in the first place. Doesn’t matter how good the service is at the trinity if nobody is willing to use it. Signal just errs on security first, privacy second, anonymity third.

Eh, I get the rule. On the surface, it seems stupid because the subject of rom options is pretty integral to privacy

However, discussion of roms tends to always devolve into what amounts to fanboyism at some point. You end up with a lot of “yeah, but” and “but they are/aren’t” that covers the same ground every single time, and users have to wade through the bullshit to get to anything useful.

It’s the same conversation every time, so you reach a point where it’s better to just outright ban rom/os so that other issues aren’t drowned by that.

It’s damned if you don’t damned if you do, there’s no good choice, so you make the choice that’s less hassle on average

Bold of you to assume I’m not missing being able to really practice sword stuff that I don’t open boxes with one ;)

But, yeah, totally true lol.

If you knew how many times I’ve said, “dude, I’ve got a knife” when someone tries to monkey something open, well, you wouldn’t have room in your head for anything else

It looks more like she’s saying that the tweet about Applebaum is less important, not the article about him

A reference? No, but I checked out their site, searched for any mentions of encryption, and the only part of their services that mention out is their password keeper. Since they only mention it there, that would point to that being the only part that has it, since neglecting to mention it for other aspects seems like a giant gap in their marketing

Well, ignoring anything else, cozy lacks the encryption proton drive has.

Which makes it little or no better than any other cloud provider, afaict.

But, if you can’t make use of proton being encrypted because they’re dipshits about making their stuff Linux friendly, then they’re no better than any other options. So you might as well go with whatever gives you the most bang for the buck

I mean, you also covered the reasons someone might choose signal over simplex.

I think I know his name, it’s right on the tip of my tongue…

Biggus Dickus! That’s it!

Heh, you said do do

Instructions unclear, brain melting out of nose

Ngl, assuming they had documentation on what all they used to patch this thing together, I would buy this kind of thing if I had the funds.

I generally prefer my little hatchbacks, but this looks so damn neat, and I sure wouldn’t object to the ground clearance lol.

Lmao! Not very, but that damn great dane did not care.

So far in my life, not only has every cat I’ve ever had done that, but other pets have.

The list includes a great dane, two corgis, a chicken, and a rat.

True that

Huh. Last time I used it, I didn’t fiddle much. Guess I didn’t dig enough into it up see the fancy stuff.

Xfce is fancy?

Or any other rom, really. Stock, which is the Google version of Android, but the pixel line is well supported by lineage and other variants.

Can we be real for a minute though?

It’s still better than not having it as an option.

By telegram existing, it diversifies the non private messaging landscape. It’s obviously not better than actually secure and/or private services, but the more options that are out there, the less centralization there is, which is a net positive.

You just have to be aware of its limitations and don’t use it for anything significant. In that regard it’s no worse than something like discord.

You already covered the warnings about not trusting it for privacy or security, so that’s really the beat you can do in informing people. Once you’ve done your due diligence for the people you care about, you gotta let them do what they’re gonna do. It’s either that or go hard and refuse to communicate on anything other than the services you deem best for your preferences and hope for the best

Plenty of people care, just not enough

Honestly? For that limited use, there’s really no need to switch.

However, if you’re willing to do a little extra effort, Join, by joao apps can do what you’re wanting. The notes is easy as pie. Sending files to your own devices is easy. Then you just need a different file sharing method for others.

It’s not a 1:1 replacement, obviously, but sending files via email, or other methods, when it’s only occasional isn’t something that needs to be part of a messenger service that you aren’t primarily using for messages in the first place. Keeping all your eggs in one basket isn’t always as good.

This person has been running around spreading FUD in every post about this

If the brioche is greasy something went wrong.

Gods, I love that video. A brilliant example of music video as a form of art

I don’t even have a steam deck, and this would make me never play the game, much less pay for it

I mean, not really.

Which standard are they going to be forced to use? What infrastructure? What encryption? Are they going to be forced to develop apps for every platform?

The best you can hope to expect is apps using the same standard being compatible. Xmpp, matrix, whisper, whatever. Even matrix bridges don’t really fix compatibility across standards very well.

It’s nice to think that anyone anywhere, could expect to install any app and communicate with anyone else and maintain encryption as well as full privacy. But as far as anyone I’ve ever seen talk about it that’s actually trained in the technology behind it all, it isn’t possible unless there’s a single, enforced standard in use.

Does it suck to have to deal with multiple apps? Hell yes. But I also don’t like the idea of being forced to use whatever compromise protocol would make it realistic. I’d rather have a dozen apps with no single gatekeeper between them.

A different encrypted messaging service. Decent, but hasn’t taken off despite using email for accounts rather than phone bonkers numbers

Man, I wish I could afford their rates. They’re just a little bit higher than I can justify compared to other options for a given service.

I would imagine your memory is faulty

If this is messing with your brain, express it as fractions and do the math that way instead.

That was inevitable. It’s why I never use anything that can be compelled. Make the fuckers work for it in the event the government turns you into a criminal by passing a shitty law.

Homie needs to stfu and realize that he’s the middleman in a proxy war and stop saying stupid shit in public that could damage his ability to do his job.

And it’s incredibly stupid shit.

Yeah, and if that was why it was being done, that would be awesome.

It isn’t being done because it’s a better policy.

Heliboard seems decent so far.

Telegram, while often hyped as high privacy/security got popular because it was/is fully featured and isn’t Google or Facebook. That’s it

It’s less invasive, less annoying, and can do all the stuff like gifs and stickers. So it was very easy to get people onto compared to pretty much anything that was actually private or secure.

Once enough people started using it, it snowballed into its own monolith of bloat.

Serious answer: nothing except their own lack of access to anything except the ip address and whatever you give them.

But that’s easy to counter with a VPN and a bit of common sense.