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Before privacy guides changed there was a spreadsheet with all providers, security details and wether or not they have ever complied to government requesting access.

If i recall correctly proton did not score very great. Disroot did very well on paper but was considered new and had yet to proof itself

Anyone know if this (updated) information still exists?


To add, i have seen this behavior the moment you get to argumentative so its not like its purposely singling some topics out.



Fyi: this also depends on local factors and the kind of stuff your looking for.

In my experience ddg is awful which is strange cause its powered by bing results while Bing result are ok, on par with google for searching and finding websites/services

Startpage wich is deanonimized google works great on premise but its unusable If you want to find local services/stores or governments sites. (It makes total sense though, its the tradeoff of sharing location data). At some point the top result was a starbucks on the other side of the planet and i had actually provided the settings with my nationality and main language.

Google remains king when it comes to digital shopping, results list almost all the major local retailers for me. Bing seems to pick favorite more selectively.

In all seriously of late the tools ivebeen the most happy with are:

  • wikipedia search
  • wolfram alpha
  • gpt-4 (with healthy skepticism)

I seem to be naturally moving away from search engines in favor of just a few bookmarked sites where the real content is. Most of the internet that i havent seen is either not my thing or feels dead


Its a good reason to allow wifi but there is no reason for you to receive such a notification unless your home to act on it, otherwise your better of receiving the notification once your phone reconnect with your homes wifi.

Wifi isnt the same as internet.

There is sometimes but rarely a good reason for those same decides to connect to the public web. They are much more secure if everything stays local.

The prime reason companies claim they need internet so you can set up things like stop heat when i am not home…. But guess what, if my phone isnt activity at home connecting to wifi, my home server can figure it out on its own, no cloud required.


Good point but you are forgetting the first rule of the enshitification: “Never attribute to common sense and decency what could be attributed to inhuman levels of greed”

They may have put that in for technicians but data is money, if they can legally acquire yours they already are.


Its either this or its not real. I cant believe a human would green light this unless this is their final task before taking a better job.


Thats a good point. An instance could comply if there remains a way to submit a remove my data form to the admins. But other instances may also have or retain data with Lemmy being a decentralized network, our data is all over the place, there is no easy way to really be forgotten on the fediverse and neither a way for law enforcement to fine every single instance.


Its gonna depend on specifics in the law. Is it about

  • a software component that allows viewing a web page.

  • software that is marketed as an internet browser

  • software that is being used to connect to the web

Many software is or can technically be used to browse the web. Thunderbird as a notable example is a mail client but is a capable of displaying any weburl. Some of the software i use on my job is capable of doing the same. Visual studio can do this. It used to be a very common feature.

The ad window when you start steam works like this and the inbuild steam Browser aside the entire steam store also functions as a locked down browser. It even shows a url bar but at least here you cant enter any url.

Depending on the law these softwares need to either comply or be excempt.

With self hosting getting popular and the trend of webapps (many of the self hosted ai apps) you dont need to be online to have a valid usecase.

If i go on holiday to France, never connect to any french internet but use a self developed browser to acces a local run webbapp am I suddenly a criminal?

If i am an open source developer workin on any of the plenty of github repos that rely or build on mozzilas open source code am i a criminal? Should GitHub be blocked because it provided acces to those repos to the french?

I do agree if mozilla has a registered company in french that those could indeed be targeted by the government but if there not surely they cant be blamed by simply ignoring foreign laws.

Piracy and porn can have wildly different laws around the world i only ever heard of countries blocking providing domains trough isps and never that far away foreign companies are supposed to take notice of local Law.

The account thing matters because this establishes a relation of client and service provider. Facebook services millions of european customers and businesses of which it actively manages data. Mozilla in contrast mostly just build a tool that any anonymous internet person can use for themselves.


Why would it be mozzilas responsibility to make their website unaccesible in france rather then that being the responsibility of french isp?

If north Korea puts up an obscure law that says all sites are banned from using english does that give them grounds to sue any sites that didn’t think of blocking them specifically?


What stops them from putting a blanket statement on their website stating “this software does not adhere to specific internet laws in france and therefor we do not support the use of firefox as a browser within french borders. French people can still download firefox to study the software and use it for local/offline purposes.

Firefox isn’t quite the same as facebook in that its a piece of downloadable software instead of a service website. You don’t need an account. A foreigner can travel while having firefox as the only browser on their laptop and people can still share the program between eachother.

France might create requirements for their isps to not service not adhering browsers but in any way mozzila can keep their hands clean.