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Somewhere out there is a much more sophisticated joke about spin-2 particles or how USB connectors have spin 1.5 or something, but I am not smart enough to construct that joke, and I think even on its construction the audience for it would be kinda limited.


When did you sit in on court cases? What did you observe in terms of the experts and their testimony when you did? Or maybe a better way to ask it is, how many times have you been in court and observed the proceedings?

I have family who are lawyers, I’ve been to court a few times, and I’ve had friends on both sides of the justice system. Not sure why you assume I’m just totally unfamiliar with these things.


My bias though is probably skewed through the media I consume. I do watch a lot of channels like Lackluster YouTube videos (shows corruption and double standards in policing)

Yeah. I don’t want to get into my whole take on ACAB or anything, but what I’ll say quick about it is that when the court system is involved, the opportunity for abuse is way less. Police on their own with no oversight and everyone believes what they say always like back in the day, is way different from police with bodycams and modern hypervigilant cell-phone/news-media oversight like the modern day, is way different from police having to show up in court and the defense lawyer gets to mount a vigorous at-length factual challenge to whatever they’re saying happened. It’s still far far from a perfect system (public defender / plea agreement / wtf) but it’s also not equal to the stereotype where all the cops are just trying to get out and do as much harm to society as they can possibly manage every single day and nothing like working to catch rapists ever happens in real life.

Plus, if the cops wanted to falsify the DNA and put someone away, they can do that without 23andme being involved. If they’re trying to run a match against the DNA they found to look for people to interview / cross match with whatever sample they have, then that’s already a moderate indication that they’re trying to find the actually guilty person.


Well prosecutors and cops are incentivized to get arrests. Whether to pump numbers up for promotions or to use in campaigning.

Accurate, and it does impact their decisions in ways that are sometimes pretty bad

So it wouldn’t surprise me if cops turn a cold case into a witch hunt because some partial DNA match in a “private” database gave them a few suspects and then they start to build some case to fit the suspects.

What do you think the ratio is of unsolved rapes, to felony cases that were falsified by cops and prosecutors that led to a conviction? I know the second one happened one time in the recent past, and it was a big enough deal that they made a Netflix special about it. I don’t know of it happening a second time besides that.


The big real-world implication I’m aware of is that law enforcement can match DNA they found somewhere against 23andme’s database. Then if you (or any of your relatives!) are in the database because they’ve ever used 23andme, they’ll find that out, and they can use it to investigate or prosecute you.

Whether you think that’s a good or a bad thing depends a lot on whether you think the cops should be able to succeed if they get a hold of someone’s DNA and are looking for the person to match their sample against… that success is, to me, much more likely to be a good thing than a problem, but that may not be the consensus view here and it’s certainly a massive, massive privacy implication.


Squid? Nginx? Not sure I understand the full scope of the question though


Oh crap – you’re right, yes. I thought it was a requirement for Mormons but it’s not.



I agree with that. I think the point of Mormons being forced to go door-to-door and engage with the outside world in a way that is guaranteed to create discomfort and hostility… is that they’ll learn the the outside world equals discomfort and hostility. I can’t imagine that it has any nonzero effect in terms of converting people to Mormonism at all.

I think how it works for Christians probably depends on the nonuniform details of how exactly they do the proselytizing, but I’m imagine it works mostly the same in most cases.


I don’t think the app is designed to try to convert people. Filtering by immigration status is the giveaway.

Oftentimes, American-style authoritarian organized religion equips you with a very particular type of doublethink which makes it possible to promote an app like this and wholeheartedly believe that it will be used for good things because you and all the people around you are the best type of people that exist, while being aware and planning for it to maybe be used (and making sure it’s useful) for something totally different.


I edited it, it’s just not federating for some reason, and now everyone’s making fun of my title


mbin has a different title length limit than Lemmy, which I didn’t know.

Just edited it just for you, you should see it fixed whenever it federates.


Lemmy has a different title length limit than Mbin, as I just now discovered. I kinda like the modified version though. 🙂


Are you aware what usually happens in countries where they start killing politicians? Like historically in actuality, not just the “how it plays out in the original plan” way?


Yeah. I’m not religious but I’ve worked with church groups and actually every one I can think of immediately, was out for good and doing Christ things. I think the more prejudicial ones just are more vocal about what they’re doing.



Can you filter it to only immigrants? How flexible is the display of people’s names and addresses, family vs no kids, young or old, things like that?


What the FUCK

For some reason it didn’t sink in to me from reading the article how weird and sinister this is


Welcome back! I’m sure you have a lot to catch up on after being in a coma or whatever. Number 1, an angry mob tried to kill the vice president and 12 million people think they were right to do it and it’s a shame they didn’t succeed.




There was a Masto post recently where someone’s conservative mother told her that she knows being gay is a choice, because she feel attraction to girls, but she chooses not to act on it, and that’s the responsible Christian thing to do or w/e.

It legit made me all of a sudden realize why there’s so much overlap between “we have to punish the gays and make it illegal” and “I secretly go to male prostitutes all the time” in Republican circles. It just all of a sudden harmonized and clicked into place and made perfect sense.



I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I read the OP, it seemed to me like he asked a relevant question about the linked video, I did my best to answer his question from my POV because I like talking about this stuff and I’m self-centered enough to think that my POV on it might be something other people might like to read.

To me, there are more valuable things in the world than tons of good videos. The systems that you “do not care” about, help to maintain the nice world that you live in, and whether you’re aware of it or not, failing to take good care of them will eventually impact your cushy existence. But, you’re free to believe me or not about that, and to value whatever you choose.

You don’t need to tell me any more about your value decisions, though, because I don’t share them and I don’t plan to start. Good luck.


Me personally seeing or not seeing ads doesn’t change the fact that good online news outlets are going out of business because the wholly-internet-ad-supported business model doesn’t support honest journalism, kids spend their time watching devices designed to get them addicted to the flashing colors instead of something designed to help them, etc etc and so on. Did you read my message?

I see a pretty small number of ads also, but if you took away from that that my main complaint is that I personally see a lot of ads, I think you should read it again.


This whole fuckin video is bonkers.

I’m looking for, I get targeted Google ads about camera stands from Adorama and B&H Photo that do match my criteria. I like that when I get into a rabbit hole about traveling to Singapore or buying a new laptop, all of the content that I get fed is relevant to what I’m interested in.

He picked out the one instance where high-powered advertising produces a positive result, while ignoring the 90% of it that is sinister in some way. Big categories of that:

  • Creating a need that didn’t exist before by manipulating people
  • Bending the nature of the underlying content to its ends (producing news that communicates the message rich people want expressed to the masses, instead of informative journalism) (producing TV shows that lull people into a stupor so they’ll be susceptible to the ad breaks, instead of that which will wake them up and create genuine engagement and a vehicle for creative expression) (disrupting people’s use of social media to communicate so as to manipulate them into being better consumers) (etc).
  • Providing a way for someone who makes a worse product but has more money to spend to promote their worse product over a better one that doesn’t focus as much on marketing

You can join me or not in my tinfoil-fit view, but I would say that 90+% of the impact of advertising is one of those things, and a very very small percentage of it is what he’s talking about, good honest people who make good honest products and just want to laser-focus on customers who happen to want those products and make it easy for them to find out about them. Personally I’m pretty skeptical that these things with seeing ads for camera stands or his Singapore trip actually happened that way, but even if they had, it formed a very small percent of the ways that advertising impacted his world that day.

5 or 10% of the time, Google and Facebook miss the mark and they show me ads that I’m not actually interested in or recommend videos that aren’t even relevant.

5 or 10 per cent, yeah? You must be fascinated by ads for things. Personally they form an offensive tide of bullshit against my own mental landscape, 95% or so of which I’m not interested in.

Something else that I wanted to note is that this effort has not only led to better advertising but better everything. This is the primary reason that the UI and experience on apps and services like Chrome, YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat, and TikTok are so good

What in the ever lasting fuck are you talking about

Pretty much every single time that ad-supported-ness comes into the equation, the service gets worse then it was without it. BBC is better than Fox News. Mastodon is better than Facebook. Craigslist is better than everything. When the service is designed to be good, it’s good, and when it’s designed to draw ad revenue, the “being good” part of the goal becomes, by definition, secondary. I won’t say the two are always incompatible, but specifically with the examples he lists, they’re largely incompatible, and being good has become secondary.

I can kind of be charitable about what he’s saying, and agree that Chrome’s UI is superior to some purely-open-source browser that doesn’t have the same level of funding, or that Youtube is more reliable and performs better than some bodged-together video service. But I cannot possibly fathom the kind of brain that would look at the modern world and use TikTok or YouTube as examples of things that are “so good” and lead to “better everything.”

Among other things, the designed-to-be-addictive-to-drive-advertising-revenue nature of how they’re designed creates real harm in the real world. Youtube dopamine loops trap young kids whose brains aren’t developed, and playing with tablets all the time fucks up their brains. If you’ve been around kids in the modern world you’ve seen this. Political advertising and shill-friendliness on social media produces bad political outcomes that cause genuine tragedies in the real world. Few people involved in creating those products seem to give a shit about any of that, because they’re so focused on maximizing ad spend. I would not describe that as “better everything.”

To me this is the real harm in the system he’s defending. It’s not that tracking a person for advertising to them, in itself, creates that much harm in every case. It does sometimes, but his short-sighted view of the problem that it’s often fine, is actually valid. But the wider scope of letting advertising rule our modern world even though it’s objectively making everything shittier for no benefit to everyone (except making money for a handful of people who don’t need any more), is a very big problem, and defending that system because one particular aspect of it isn’t the part that’s really hurting people seems obviously wrong.



Why would you even put the number at that point


That would make it possible in general for any instance operator to game the system in ways that are by design impossible to analyze, for dubious benefit.

It would also involve some pretty substantial changes from the current ActivityPub protocol (not just a new way the protocol works, but a change to some of what are currently its core operating principles about e.g. deduplication of entities across the network). You’d have to either talk the authors of every ActivityPub software into accepting your new way, or else abandon the idea of your software being able to interoperate with other ActivityPub software.


Votes pretty much have to be public in order for the whole federated system to work – otherwise anyone could just stuff 50 votes for their favorite comment, and there’d be no way to tell where they came from. Given that, I think it’s important that the software be honest with people about the situation, “disincentive” or not. Personally I’m fine with my votes being public, but an important part of that is that I know they’re public and can vote accordingly.


Every up and down vote you make is public. Friendica, kbin, and mbin all expose who voted on every post to any user, and anyone tech savvy on any software can dig out the totals at any time.

In my mind the UI should make this very obvious (honestly I think there should be a pop-up that warns new users of this every time they vote until they check a box to disable it), because it’s not what people expect. But votes are very public.


Band Aid Sport Strip, fam

Everything else is a pure waste of time


A friend of mine worked in the kitchen of a little gaming establishment. He said when people weren’t ordering food, they’d throw some garlic in a pan to cook in oil, and invariably people in the place would start talking about holy crap whatever’s cooking smells really good, and food orders would start coming in.

Garlic is magic


I have no idea of all the details, but in legal terms this is called “res ipsa loquitur” – in this case, the fact that it clearly seems compromised is pretty solid evidence that it wasn’t immune to compromise.


You’re the one that connected an impossible-to-security-update device to the internet. You can do plenty of home automation without it needing to be that way, if you’re open to a little more setup being involved in the process.



Yah hence why I gave advice on how to do it if the person just wants fairly-good privacy.

Some other gave input as to where might be hosting that is fully private / illegal stuff friendly if they want that, also. But, if they’re doing genuinely illegal stuff, a Tor .onion site might be better. If they just want hosting with some level of privacy for their stuff, then probably Digitalocean+encrypted file store will serve.


A 500GB storage volume on Digitalocean is $50/mo


looking for a VPS with good specs for it’s price

DigitalOcean is wonderful in my experience

I don’t want whoever’s running it to have access to my files

  1. Run an encrypted file store of some sort, keep the keys only in the memory of the process that serves the files, type it in to start the process, keep it completely off the server. That’s not bulletproof (there’s nothing you can do to completely prevent the server operator from having access to what’s going on on the server) but in practice it’ll probably be good enough.
  2. What illegal thing are you doing you criminal

Yeah, I was gonna say something about Nebula / Curiositystream. I actually think that that + somewhere to play music would take care of 95% of what I use Youtube for.


It was just for one day, videos would hang forever when trying to load in Librewolf. From Chrome they played fine.

I may not want to invest all that much energy into the arms race game if it starts recurring; I may just switch to one of the let-us-steal-it-from-Youtube-for-you mirror services.