thank you, i think i saw that somwhere before. is it really true that the haressment is made up? like i honestly dont know

The one making the claims should provide the evidence.

and does it really has an impact on the eco system? i never really thought abou it…

Yes, it pushes for a Google monopoly in hardware, it creates a false narrative that there is no difference in privacy and/or security between alternative Android versions and ones by vendors. This further entrenches Google’s control of Android as it limits the options for Android users.

And i guess fair point that this is a security flaw considering the phone users beeing targeted… But like i still kinda think hardware backed security is important and also very crucial is, that the more devices they supporty the less recourses they have… I think considering how long it is since pixel 10 released and it is still not supported, would make me guess that they dont have like any free time really to do it at all ^^

I do believe Google has taken decisions that forced them to look for a new OEM, I am not sure if does affect the Pixel 10.

No GrapheneOS is not just calling them out on lack of security.

It’s apparently from their discord, so it took me a while to find it again.

It’s not about the personality of it’s directors, it’s about it’s effect on the (alternative) Android ecosystem as a whole, which is not just about security but also privacy and user control.

Even with regards to security, their choice of limiting devices apparently makes their users targets for extra scrutiny and harassment. That does have actual implications for people whose threat model includes authorities unless they already are guaranteed to be targets.

I don’t need a phone, GrapheneOS needs one now that Google is trying to force them out. I wonder if their new phone will actually meet all the requirements, if it comes out.

As for complaining, GrapheneOS is the one bitching about other Android versions existing since forever. Now, they 've started making unsubstantiated claims of them attacking them somehow.

Yes, before Google made phone on it’s own they supported some Nexus devices (google-partnered) and the Samsung Galaxy S4.

No it’s not. This is a recent development that has not yet actually come to fruition. It may exist in 2026.

Before that GrapheneOS dismissed any idea of targeting other phones than the ones build by one of the most anti-privacy companies on earth, that seeks to consolidate control of Android.

In my opinion both the evident ego of of the project lead as well as his naivety (tethering the project to Google) are huge red flags despite any assumed technical superiority.

Existing, probably.

If it does not require an iPhone yes, side loading is just a few taps away.

But what is this mythical app that needs side loading? There’s matrix apps even on Apple’s app store.

Because it’s unavailable to the vast majority of people?

This is bullshit. AI will be hunting down survivors? Thus more lethal than nuclear war? ChatGTP4 will be better at it?

Most of these concern seem to be about AGI which we are nowhere close to having and have no clear path to. Our "AI"s not only do not understand causality but don’t have the ability to perform arithmetic. Nor do they run stuff that could kill humans. Except if you consider Tesla’s FSD an AI system, but Musk assured us back in 2017 it would be safe…

For people to try and effectively respond to those issues they must be able to communicate privately with no fear of retribution.

It also requires private and secure communications to be a normal thing and not an indicator that the parties involved are criminals, terrorists or pedos.

Ai by the way is going to be just a little fart compared to the other issues you described as well as the lack of privacy.

Also a problem related to privacy is our growing dependence on private corps to be a ‘normal’ person (“why you don’t have a Facebook/Google/Amazon/etc account ?”)

I don’t hate GrapheneOS but if your issue with the Android ecosystem is largely due to Google’s decisions in the software side, promoting Google’s hardware because currently they allow you to use alternative software is compromising your future options.