That’s just one of the dumbest reasons to sue Apple…

I did not meant fully degoogled androids! Sorry for the confusion. But most people running custom ROMs add Google play support/emulation because most apps use it.

As for microG, since I’m coming from GrapheneOS, I don’t know much about it. Might be a better solution

iOS has a nice default set of privacy respecting apps. iOS isn’t perfect but it’s as close as you can get to having a usable phone while having some sort of privacy.

Android always sends requests to Google. A de-googled phone with no Play Services is too limiting.

Again, just relatively common sense.

Postfix etc… isn’t that hard to run. I selfhost a mailcow installation, which is considered “full” and “expensive to run” and it’s still really fine to run. Not expensive when scaling up to multiple users, the most important is the initial performance cost per instance.

We’re mostly paying for salaries and R&D I believe. They’re developing other services and stuff, but they could easily charge less and still be profitable, they just wouldn’t have this much reserves.

Perhaps they don’t realise that by lowering their subscription costs, they could get more users… like me

Free plan states

Anonymous Reply + Send From Daily Limit “X”

as unsupported for the free plan… So I’m quite surprised

For sure, but the lack of feature to reply/send is certainly limiting after a certain point

Addy is nice but sometimes blocked, and a bit expensive.

Sure but they probably make more than enough money. Email is really cheap to run

I mean I self host for 4€/month and I could fit multiple emails in there

Email is pretty much just about storage at some point, and there are a lot more cost effective servers for this, than a simple VPS

I’m selfhosting with mailcow and it’s great

5€/month for email? 😵

Great source, thanks :)

iirc Signal also deletes messages if not delivered in 30 days or so

SimpleX becomes a pain when using multiple devices

Have you tried LibreWolf ?

The problem is when I talk with someone on Signal, I don’t talk about the same things I talk on email… some subjects are more sensitive than others, same goes for files shared etc…

And yea it’s chat control yet again, but under a different name

https://stopchatcontrol.eu/

Sad seeing my country voting yet again for this type of oppressive nonsense

Basically every phone manufacturer has its own layer on top of AOSP that is closed source so…

Can’t send email with those

And granted they’re not in a legal red zone

In which case it would be better to create an email on a service like proton or Tuta through a vpn

I mean, I’m all for crypto, but proton posting about holding BTC is cringe

I don’t agree with your first sentence though. There is some logic to using crypto, but solely using it as « haha numbers go up, profit, profit! » is stupid

I’ve tried Signal, Session, Matrix and SimpleX and the most convenient one is Signal. Some will refuse to switch, some, the closest people to you, will agree but probably just for you, unless they see an interest in signal themselves

For WhatsApp users: I’m saying that they leak all the contacts to Meta/Facebook and use it for advertising and tracking, + sending to the US gov because we all know they share data

For discord users: they’re a bit known for not deleting things, and backed by Tencent (if I recall correctly) they could have a reason to start using messages for advertising or similar. They’re already using game activity data to push ads (or quests as they’re called). Based in the US so also probably leaks to the gov.

But most importantantly: I just ask if they’re really to have all their messages, and especially their private messages leaked to the public in case they get hacked. Including all images sent in PMs, and having those analyzed by some other companies as well (often for CP, but still, I’m not really ok with that). Some will say that they’re not, in this case alright, go switch to Signal! Some will say they are okay with it, and tbh they’re probably lying or underestimating the risks and the impact.

Discord is alright, but please, or all sensitive messages, please switch to an encrypted messenger.

I wish it had tenor instead. Giphy seems to really lack content, I never find what I’m searching for

I hate matrix because it’s hard to use and understand, and also most client collect a shit ton of data, which goes against all the privacy benefits

Most matrix clients just collect loads of data, so meh

They’re supposed to be hashed so that shouldn’t matter

Unless that’s the joke or something

TheAnonymouseJoker is a clown (imo, no harassment or anything)

Talked with them on the subject of privacy emails and they recommended services that store mail unencrypted and logs your ip address and stuff

Their sources are « activists » that they like, rather than facts. I suspect their don’t like bigger companies and famous things even if they’re better

I use grapheneos and it’s pretty good. Yes the main dev can be a bit of an asshole, but for what it claims to do, grapheneos is pretty good

Sadly anything with google services, even sandboxed, is going to track you, and I believe grapheneos is pretty good at what you can do without sacrificing too much

Less tracking from websites, more tracking from us!

You can’t encrypt received unencrypted mail (except if you use POP but it’s not an option if you have multiple devices), but you’re right about one thing, it’s that we can’t trust that proton doesn’t store the encryption keys. Although it is still safer to go with them because if they did, they would either have given the mails to the govs, exposing them (which didn’t happen), or they just wouldn’t hand out your mails, which is better than nothing.

You really have a problem with people. You can only attack personally or throw baseless insults.

I talked a lot about XMR, but also talk about session, Firefox and its privacy, file sharing like torrents, pirated stuff, VPNs… and I haven’t been very active on lemmy. But I don’t see how that gives you any more power in that conversation, knowing how bad you handled it.

You’re just saying the same thing over and over while not understanding that what you propose is no different (or even worse), and that your pseudo arguments are empty and invalid. Just stop.

What I’m saying is that VPNs can legally not give out your info, while mail services can’t, because of the technical reasons I mentioned, and as such, it doesn’t make Proton any more faulty for handing out info that it would make Riseup or Disroot to do the same. At the end, they’re all legally required to comply and will do if asked to.

Sorry for being aggressive :)

I just believe that Proton with end to end encryption by default is better than having unencrypted mail or similar

Good for you if you trust them, but you might as well self host then if you don’t need protection from the government 🤔

Oh so you use the argument of authority now. Great.

I’ll check your thing. I would have enjoyed if you could have linked it because I’m a young stupid guy with a short attention span, but fine.

If you actually checked my profile you could’ve found out I’m pretty deep into Monero, and that’s pretty much what got me into Lemmy. Don’t make assumptions without knowing people.

I checked this page https://digdeeper.club/articles/email.xhtml#disroot and surprise surprise, no real arguments apart from quoting stuff from disroot’s website. Disroot has a worse privacy policy than Proton, stores email unencrypted. You’re basically trusting Disroot not to do harmful things, which is a red flag when you could recommend services that do things properly.

If that’s the best source you have, I seriously doubt your knowledge.

I guess it’s now time for my ban

Except with a VPN you’re not identified by the servers you connect to, so they can safely not log any traffic and as such, law enforcement can’t ask to hand out data about a specific account because they don’t know which account did it. Same goes for logging the IP of the account, because again, they don’t know which account it is, and can’t force a service to log all users for the sake of finding one.

It’s not true for mail services however, as the email address is your login and/or is linked to a specific account, forever and exclusively.

Disroot stores your IP address so there’s already that. Didn’t check the other one.

Source: the 3 first words of my comment…

https://disroot.org/en/privacy_policy Section 4.1

You’re the ones defending a service yet you don’t know that. Seems like someone who just found out the service can do better research. But hey, thanks for not being overly aggressive and claiming to know everything like this other guy.

I should for sure trust a random guy on Lemmy with no arguments whatsoever and that criticizes well established services for no reason, and also criticizes all YouTubers with no distinction.

Oh so you believe that Proton wants to hand out user data? Absolutely not. It gives them bad publicity and discredits them.

Capitalism and activism has nothing to do with the subject. We’re here for privacy and anonymity. A good service is trustless. It’s not up to Disroot and Riseup to decide whether they’ll hand out user info or not. They subject to some legislation because of the country they’re based in, and I don’t think they’re willing to go to jail by not cooperating.

And you can spread your hate towards the younger generation and smartphones all you want, it only makes you more irrelevant. You didn’t write any argument as to why those services are better except “they’re activists” and “I trust them”, which doesn’t matter in any way.

What’s wrong with those 3 things you cited?

Their privacy policy. They log IP addresses and are not immune to legal actions, and as such, are not really better than Proton in terms of legal actions

I’ve never heard of those 2 providers and they don’t seem to be any better. I’m just looking for facts to back that and so far I haven’t seen any

Being skeptical doesn’t mean being a troll or a fed, wtf. I don’t know what you’re on but it seems cool

As for the « are you trying to discredit … without evidence » I want to answer « what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence »

Source: trust me bro

It’s just that more people use proton so more of them have their identity leaked. I don’t see how the terms of these 2 companies are better