Our latest blog post is aimed at people who ‘get it’ about online privacy, but who struggle to convince friends and family to take it seriously. We hope it helps!
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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Do people often tell you they like surveillance because personalised ads are useful? That’s a madness
i have been unironically told by someone who refused to install an adblocker: ‘what if i might get an ad for something i want?’
eurgh, maybe this is just the crowds I swim in then… I’ve only ever heard derision for ads.
I have family that believes this and LIKE having ads, so yeah… 😓
Not seeing ads is really convenient, and I have trouble understanding why anyone wouldn’t block ads aggressively on every device they spend much time using in 2025.
To cover a couple common objections:
Then it’s the institution’s IT department I’m puzzled by. If I was running corporate IT, ad blocking would be part of the standard install. The FBI recommends it for security.
Why would you buy such a device, or continue using it now that you know better?
Money. The economy is tight right now, and many people don’t have the money to change devices because of what, sadly, amounts to a single flaw. If it does 99% of what you need/want, many people are willing to trade off what they see as the 1% they don’t like.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just making sure you and others understand that this isn’t a question without a good answer. I would be happier with devices that are more under my control, but money is the main limiting factor.
Right, I do understand that’s a limitation. I think I’m more puzzled that many people find the presence of ads in a device they paid for to be a minor issue rather than intolerable.
I don’t know how old you are, so I’ll just have to state my experience here. I’ll liken it to television, because with the way Netflix, YouTube, Hulu, etc., have become some of the most visited sites on the Internet, it’s likely that people are using a lot of these devices like TVs.
Commercials have been part of TV since the beginning. First it was sponsorships (if you watch old shows, you’ll find sponsor segments not dissimilar to modern YouTube), then slowly we transitioned into commercial breaks. Then we started doing both - product placements being the biggest ones, but also some shows that still had sponsors. Game shows and news shows are notable for this. If you wanted to avoid commercials, you either timeshifted (VCR, DVR, etc), or you watched PBS - except that PBS has not only their begathons, but for the last 30 years has had what amount to sponsorships and commercials between programs.
And when you got the opportunity to pay for TV, cable first was educational and ad-free. Now, there’s just as many commercials, and you’re paying for it monthly.
Radio was the same way as TV. Dragnet was sponsored by a cigarette company, Sherlock Holmes by a winemaker. And then there were ad spots. If you listen to terrestrial radio still, you’ll find commercials. I don’t know if any of the satellite providers have started running ads, but I wouldn’t be shocked.
Newspapers before that were ad-filled too. You bought the newspaper knowing that fact. Comic books had (and have!) ads. Magazines are another ad vector.
We’ve been bombarded by ads for so long as a part of media that they blend into the background. And for my own self, yes, the commercials are annoying and I have always pirated or timeshifted to avoid them across all media, but I don’t really feel the same level of hate that I do for the tracking and privacy concerns. People don’t object to advertisements - look at QVC and HSN. What we need to do is shift the conversation away from “ad blocking” over to “privacy protection”.
I’m old enough to remember the web being primarily text, and turning off automatic image loading being a good way to see fewer ads. I’m old enough to remember popup windows and popup blocking.
I suppose the underlying issue is that if something I don’t like happens on my computer, my first thought is to look for a way to change it, and most people don’t think about computers that way. I’m sad that most people don’t think about computers that way.
Traditional advertising whether on a billboard, magazine page, radio, TV are benign afaic, annoying, but benign. Advertising on the internet is an insidious evil because of what is happening behind all those pretty little pictures. Not only are they attempting to sell you product, they are stealing your data to bolster the profits of said company, without giving you due compensation. If my data is so valuable to corporate America, then it’s worth a mint to me and until they cough up the $value$ I determine for my data created with my labor, I’m going to keep as much of my data out of their hands.
It’s like living on a busy road. People adjust, while life degrades.
Good points.
Similar to the other reply - I haven’t moved to a privacy OS on Android yet because of money.
My fancy Samsung is not supported by those OSs (yet).
That’s entirely reasonable. You can still block most ads if you want to:
I already “get it” and I don’t find this argument too convincing.
If you’re 25 years old and cut them off, they still have :
(Yes, I get that it’s different if everyone cuts off data harvesting at the same time, but this is about convincing one person.)
The more data they have, the more accurate the picture. You may be underestimating how much we all change over the years. At 24 you know what your parents taught you and maybe have a degree. You probably aren’t married. You probably don’t have kids. You probably don’t have any diseases (that you know of).
At 30, maybe you’re married and they’re collecting information about that. At 35 you’ve changed careers and gained or lost a religion. Maybe you have children (now they’re adding info on your children). Maybe you’ve found out that you are diabetic or bipolar. Maybe you’ve had two car accidents. At 40 you’ve cast off a lot of the demands of your parents. Maybe you get divorced. Maybe you realize you’re gay or trans. Maybe you become invested in a different type of politics. Maybe you change careers again. Maybe the bipolar diagnosis gets removed as a misdiagnosis. Maybe now you’ve had cancer.
Imagine how much less they’d have on you (and your children) at 45 if you had cut them off at 24.
This is concrete, thanks. I can work with this.
The arguments the article gives are way to broad to fly around a Thanksgiving table.
They might as well have titled it:
“Ways to convince people to take online privacy seriously (who are already on the fence and leaning so hard in your direction that a stiff breeze would do the job for you)”
Even if its one person, you would have to start somewhere. Maybe they have your data from the last 24 years, as per your example. If you cut off now, five years later, they still have only 24 years of your data. They won’t have the last five year’s data, which would be crucial for them.
That doesn’t address the other two bullet points.
It’s like tracking an animal moving in tall grass. You don’t need to be able to see the animal directly to tell where it is.
If I can’t disappear completely, there’s enough data points around me that a useful silhouette can be reconstructed from all the surrounding data.
What’s the point?
That is an entirely valid point - and exactly why I wrote that blog post. To help people to explain to those around them that they also need to do something about their privacy. Otherwise they’re giving you away by association.
Come to think of it, I probably should have mentioned that in the post 🤦🏼♂️
The point is that by fighting back they cannot get any more accurate than that, which helps, even if it’s incomplete and imperfect.
There’s also the spite angle, because fuck them, i am not gonna give them shit if i can help it!
The article addresses this. Data must be fresh to be valuable. Yes old data can be useful, but can it be sold? That’s the main vulnerability to surveillance capitalism that hiding exploits.
Ads are needed to create incommings needed by an service, but legit are only contextual ads, but not personalized ones results of surveilance and profiling, worst if also used with tracking and metadata logging. This is the main reason why the use of adblocker and other filter measures are mandatory, sorry for those which use only contextual banners to create some incommings.
Dude wtf are you saying?
EDIT: Most likely a bot.
Also devs want to eat sometimes and for services there are few possibilities to create incommings, turning it in a paid service, put ads or using afiliate links which ay an revenue if the user use these. A no go are selling private user data which are the methodes of big corporations, this is the real problem. But it isn’t avoidable, when you block these that also those which use ethical methodes are affected. The solution is only a clear legislation making it illegal to sell private user data to third parties, out of control how these use or protect these. There isn’t any other. Privacy is a basic right, period. Traffiking with user and metadata is a crime.
I really like the Privacy Is Power book and the author’s TEDx talk .
I have some quotes to share, though about the government side of things
And 3 from “No Place To Hide”:
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Thanks, that was an interesting read
it felt regurgitate to me, but probably because i tried most of these arguments in the past and they all failed to convince anyone.
I cannot change the world, I am but one man. I can only try to influence and guide those around me. They influence and guide others around them. So you pick up a few new converts and that may seem pointless until you realize the global impact of your actions.