(I reposted this bc some applications were missing.) I had to install some apps because of school. Btw, can you say improvements that I can make? I can’t install anything that isn’t from playstore. Edit: Duolingo is now just a PWA

One app you are missing is shelter, Google won’t allow it on the play store since it’s a privacy app, but it allows you to install the school apps and stuff inside a work container so that they can’t access the personal information on your other devices.

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Firefox or Waterfox instead of Brave. Vivaldi’s a good compromise if it has to be Chromium.

How about Librefox?

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I’m on android

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Try IronFox or Fennec (Firefox forks), both are privacy focused and aren’t bad like Brave.

GrapheneOS has shown FF does have some security issues, so if you prefer Chromium then use either Vanadium (GrapheneOS only) or Cromite.

For desktop I do use Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium if a website refuses to work on Firefox.

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I can’t install apps outside of playstore

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Yeah, saw that on another comment. Then just stick with plain Firefox and download the uBlock extension. Seriously, ditch Brave. It doesn’t do anything FF with some settings turned on can’t do.

Unrelated note: I see you have NextDNS as an app. You can’t just change the DNS settings on your phone? Is that blocked by parental control?

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I can change the DNS

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Yeah, I’d probably let go of the app and just change the settings, saves space.

Furthermore, I saw you have OpenVPN for Android. I’ve never heard of that app tbh, so it makes me wary. If you need a free, open-source, and audited VPN from the play store, then I’d stick with Proton. If you can pay money, then Mullvad.

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I know that brave isn’t good, can you just explain why?

Nothing I didn’t really know in the article, thanks for posting though. I know Naomi Campbell pushes Brave pretty hard. Any thoughts on that?

Still gonna use Brave because it is better technically.

Don’t use Firefox, the original one anymore if you’re really into privacy. I haven’t tried Waterfox, but I can recommend Ironfox. It’s on Acrescent and Fdroid.

OP said they can’t install from anywhere but the Play Store.

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Avoid Acrescent which promotes anti-libre software.

I would recommend moving off of Duolingo if you can. What you move to depends on the language you’re learning. They fired a bunch of their language developers and went hard on AI.

I help run a community for Welsh learners and we’re finding more and more people coming in with questions about a Duolingo lesson where things are wrong and weird. Plus their business practices aren’t great. They realized that they make money from you staying on the app, not learning a language, so your progress is artificial stunted. Plus the complete lack of grammar explanation at all we’re finding hurts people more than helps

As a general recommendation, textbooks are so much better.

I also see Gmail. I don’t have a recommendation for a replacement as I’m doing my research on it now, but getting away from Google is a good idea

I recently tried duo lingo. I have a pretty strong background in Spanish, but want to brush up. It became apparent very quickly that the app is not about learning so much as keeping you in it. The lessons don’t make a ton of sense, and after not using app for a week, it demoted me to just 8 words that you would learn in your first class (hombre, el, agua, tu, etc.). There is no way to skip ahead.

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I’ve already replaced Gmail (I just can’t disable it and I need for my school) with Tuta. In addition, I was forced to install Duolingo because of my Spanish teacher (at least it was with a fake email address).

You can acess your gmail account with thunderbird

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Can verify, it’s super easy to do and I nuked the Gmail app from my phone afterwards.

Look into formal complaints procedures.

co maps over organic maps

Co maps has fewer features though?

Indeed, but it preserves the ethos of being open, while the other does not.

You could try https://delta.chat/ instead of WhatsApp

Yeah but then im going to to be the only one who uses it lol

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Try Anki instead of Duolingo. You’ll learn fucking nothing from it.

Also move all the proprietary software into a work profile with Shelter (available on F-Droid) just like I did.

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I use Lingodeer instead of Duolingo, in combination with Anki.

These kinds of apps are useful as a starting point but they’re not going to get you fluent and they’ll only barely get you to beginner level. Plus Anki is kinda complicated especially if there isn’t a suitable shared deck.

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That’s why I went to the next level and switched all of my devices, sites and accounts to German.

Lol Android Work Feature (and hence Shelter) doesn’t work without Google Play Services. Shit.

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I got Shelter from F-Droid.

Me too, but it won’t run without google play services or custom rom

I see Maps.

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I can’t disable it

Works via adb. What was it’s name, Universal Android Debloater? (set to disable instead of remove first). Btw, you can’t remove the play store itself, causes bootloops. Just keep it frozen. And only disable what you’re really sure about.

And Organic Maps is a good replacement imo, or Osmand for more complex needs.

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I can’t enable developer options

What, why not?

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Parental controls

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Remove Netflix, proprietary software.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy

I can’t install anything that isn’t from playstore.

Why?

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Parental controls, newpipe was an exception

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Oh, that’s a good start. Teach them about libre software and show them F-Droid. PipePipe works better than NewPipe and you can get it there too. Good luck!

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A great step that will solve most of the junk problems that I see, is to move to a custom rom.

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Pretty sure Wireguard is better in most regards than openvpn. But I also have no idea what you use the VPN for, or why not just use Mullvad.

I’d replace the default text-messaging app with QUIK or something (also allows you to block people who you otherwise cant block).

And replace Ace Attorney with Wrath Of The Gods ;)

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I use proton and I will play ace attorney 😃

It would be nice to use something like RethinkDNS to block internet connection of these apps you can’t disable. You can also config it to block some trackers by DNS filtering.

I would see if you’re able to actually uninstall or disable the Google apps. They’re likely to still grab info otherwise

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I have already disabled Google Photos, but it still manages to save my photos, and I can’t revoke its permission to do so. (C’mon xiaomi, I just don’t want to have all my data in the google servers)

Install Shizuku to give the apps of your choice elevated rights. I use Hail from F-Droid, but it looks like this is a similar app on Play that’s used via Shizuku to “freeze” apps that you can’t remove. It keeps them from running and hides them from your app drawer.

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I tried to check the Shizuku app, but it says it’s for an older Android version. When I checked it a few days ago, it didn’t say that.

I don’t use the Pay Store version, so I don’t know what you’re running into there. May not matter though, as I remembered after commenting that you have to have “Wireless Debugging” enabled, which requires the hidden-by-default “Developer Options” to be enabled - something I’ll bet the Parental Controls disallows anyway.

Sorry.

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Developer options 😂 (my parental control blocks developer options 😞)

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Well, whenever you get the chance to use developer options, you can try Permission ManagerX instead. Does the same think Shizuku does but isn’t outdated and can be downloaded from the Google Play, Fdroid, and the repository (and Amazon app store??? If that’s still alive???).

Amazon app store actually was just killed for non-Amazon devices a couple months ago.

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Not really imo,
however doing good taking small steps OP! :)

Suggestions I’d make:

  • Aim to use nothing/as little as possible from the Play Store (proprietary, often filled with trackers)
  • Aim to use everything/as much as possible from F-Droid (open source, no or nearly no trackers)
  • Switch GApps for MicroG (The open source implementation of the Google system apps to make things like notifications work, which removes spyware)
  • Switch your Xiaomi OS (also spyware filled) for a more privacy friendly OS like LineageOS

I’d suggest LineageOS4MicroG:
https://lineage.microg.org/

It’s vanilla LineageOS,
with MicroG + F-Droid pre-included.

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I went to almost every website that offers ROMs and couldn’t find any official ROMs for my device (/e/? Doesn’t work. Lineage? Nope. Graphene? Only works for pixels). I can’t install apks outside playstore (So, no aurora store and no f-droid. Newpipe was an exception) Thanks btw

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Ufff sad to hear.

What you could do:

  • Not recommened: Search on XDA for an un-official build of a custom rom for your device (stability may vary)
  • Recommended: Be patient, until it’s time to buy a new phone, then first look for the OS you want, then choose a device from the list that the OS supports, that’s how I do it nowadays :)

Also interesting, but annoying that you can’t install apks from outside the PlayStore :/ No way to circumvent it?

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Just if my parents chose another configuration abt apks in family link (parental controls)

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Huh, if your parents are the blocking factor,
how about trying to educate them a bit about F-Droid and data privacy?

Software from F-Droid really is much more privacy/battery/storage friendly. Just open source software, no spyware services bloating up the apps.

Perhaps after some convincing, they’ll at least allow you to use F-Droid and Aurora Store! :)

3xodus can help with convincing them:

It shows known trackers (= spyware) in applications.

ClassyShark does it by de-compiling the apps and scanning them on the fly.
Their website shows reports by other users that scanned applications.

Nearly everything from the PlayStore contains trackers, while nearly nothing from F-Droid does.

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how about trying to educate them

[Video] Free software, free society: Richard Stallman (or here)

Nice, Jami. Have you been able to find anybody else who uses it?

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I have only converted one friend and he only agreed because I mentioned the chat control. Everyone else went “OMG” and moved on with their lives. 😂

I’ve tried to use it but it’s way too flaky. :(

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Netflix made the cut?

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😞👍 (sadly yes)

Gotta sail the high seas, bud 😉 FMHY and you’ll be set.

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Thanks

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