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There’s NewPipe, which is open-source.
Where’s the link?
https://grayjay.app ?
I think it’s a good idea, I’m glad they made it, and if it takes off then I look forward to new pipe or free tube incorporating the same functionality into a open source project.
I will wait until the GitLab has the apk. For one, it feels sus but being Rossmann, i will look the other way. The second issue is that I will not manualy check for updates every app I have on my phone and this app need to be compatible with Obtainium or on F-droid.
I already use Obtanium to update Grayjay. It has an HTML function.
Shouldn’t anything shilled by Rossmann automatically feel suspicious?
Uninformative and unfortunate
Why?
That it probably won’t stay available for long
What it does?
It does a combined creator feed. So if you subscribe to a Patreon or whatever it can be on your feed with their normal free stuff.
That’s what I got from the website. Looks cool but I’m on iOS.
Aggregates video on many platforms into a single search and feed, so Twitter YouTube and Facebook for example are all in the same app
Wondering if/when an iOS version will be released.
If they make one, you’d have to sideload it.
That probably won’t be a problem for too long, since the EU forces them to make it easier to do
That would be fine. I already use a sideloaded version of YouTube.
Logs are disabled by default in the version I just tried. I like that.
Otherwise, it basically does what Newpipe does, but supports more platforms, which is really nice.
The videos I’ve tried loaded quickly, adding new platforms to the feed loads almost instantly, so very performant, all things considered.
As far as I understand it, you can pay for a license, but you don’t have to?
Exactly. Louis Rossman says that if you use it and don’t pay, that’s “between you and your god”.
That’s good. I don’t believe in god.
Ok, then you can think of the world where no one pays for any OSS and developers still need to pay rent.
Don’t feel bullied if you can’t afford it, but if you use it, you can afford the 5(?) bucks and you don’t pay for it: that is kind of considered a dick move.
Yes, same as guilt tripping users by calling up on their religion. I’m not going to use it, I haven’t even seen a screenshot of it. It was a sarcastic comment. I’m fine with newpipe FOSS project.
In what world is “that’s between you and your god” guilt tripping?
it’s meant to make you feel bad as if god is going to judge you if you don’t pay. It’s what religion has been doing for generations.
“if you come to church and don’t tithe, it’s between you and god”
See how that has made pastors very rich? if you can’t see that, honestly, good for you…
Yeah, that’s not what he meant, though. It is clearly not meant as a serious “your yod is going to judge you”, but rather “I’m counting on the honor system and if you abuse my trust, you’re probably a dick, but I can’t do anything about it”.
Stop thinking being an atheist is a substitute for an actual personality.
Shame it’s not fully FOSS
He had a sound reason why that’s not the case, and that’s to keep control over what people do to it. Namely they want to prevent redistribution with added trackers/ads/malware.
Has that ever prevented people from reverse-engineering an app?
no need for that! people can just take an apk and slap ads or malware on top. they do it all the time with fake candy crush apks. So I’m pretty sure they won’t care about this license.
I think that in this case it’s just a excuse so no one is redistributing the app and they can make money from it.
No, but it gives them the legal avenue to go after malicious clones.
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It’s a good start for a Revanced alternative.
We have Newpipe and Libretube for complete local video management but it’s nice to have an additional one to Revanced. Whether it picks up and becomes big that remains to be seen.
It would be good if it was FOSS.
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Isn’t it FOSS?
No cause they want to be able to prevent people from adding ads and tracking to the app and then redistributing it.
He talks about this in the announcement video.
I saw the video. Is that really against the FOSS philosophy? I imagine that you can’t do that with e.g. the kernel either.
The licencing they chose is a bit of a hack job, but I see the necessity. IMHO, it’s clear that they want to advance the libre software world.
The difference with Linux kernel is that it’s way more complicated to persuade someone who just likes the idea of it to install it, so there’s really no protection needed - if you’re installing a custom kernel (or more likely, a whole OS using that kernel) you probably know enough not to end up downloading malware.
That’s not so true about just providing “random” APKs.
no need for a restrictive license! people can just take an apk and slap ads or malware on top. they do it all the time with fake candy crush apks. So I’m pretty sure they won’t care about this license.
I think that in the license is just a excuse so no one is redistributing the app and they can make money from it.
I don’t claim to know what their true intentions are. But if you want your APK with additional malware removed from any appstore, it for sure helps to have terms which don’t allow ppl to do so.
There is nothing wrong about wanting to earn money, but their approach is the weakest. I did not even see a dialogue asking me for money yet.
A higher skill level demand shouldn’t change the licencing concepts behind a project.
It’s not Libre software. It’s source available, which is great for a commercial product, allowing people to compile it themselves, but the license is revocable at any time.
It’s not contributing to the open source ecosystem, so it’s not part of the libre environment.
It’s a good thing, I’m glad it exists, and I’m excited to see it spur libre development in the same vein. But it is not open source as the term is commonly used.
I will never forget whoever decided it would be a good idea to conflate “FOSS” and “open-source” to mean the same fucking thing, and to have to refer to software that has open source code “source available”. I see this exact fucking discussion going on at the very minimum once a week…
Edit: I know it’s a common misconception. My point is that it’s a misconception because of the term choice. There’s a reason we have to explain it over and over and over again.
Common misconception. “Free as in freedom, not as in beer” had to be explained to many people.
The person who invented the term “open source” simply intended it to be “free software” but in business speak. The fact some random people on the internet thought it means “source available” is not the term’s fault.
Who was it?
I thought it was companies just using marketing spin to look better than they were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition
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the video announcing it linked to here: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay
but
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