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I hate iphones and apple stuff for obvious reasons. But I am forced to use it to some degree. I just want to get a community consensus on any problems with signal being shared, seen, monitored, or sent to apple servers or icloud while being used on an iphone.

I think that argument made in a vacuum, devoid of any analysis about the companies, software and their history could apply equally to any phone (including graphene and fdroid and calyx and postmarket and etc).

So it’s not useful to bring up when someone is asking about specifically ios, since it’s a hypothetical problem that applies equally to all phones and their software and the solution to it is putting the onus on the user to audit their software, operating systems, microcode, hardware and everything else or to determine whose audit of those systems to trust.

I think it’s especially not worth considering under a material analysis of the interests of the company that makes rich people phones and advertises their system as secure and private and generally has longer time to exploit for the different law enforcement processes and provides bare minimum compliance and isn’t primarily selling user data.

On some level we have to acknowledge the tremendous logical leap required to compare apple and pretty much any other major manufacturer and say “they could have backdoored it and they could be listening right now”. Yeah, I guess they could have done that. They have less incentive and more to lose than any other company and it would take a massive internal conspiracy, but I guess it’s possible.

I want to just take a line or two and make it clear that I’m basing all the above on the material circumstances of the company, not on any misplaced love for them or their products. I have android, ios, windows, linux and macos computers and use them equally.

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